Children at the Lord's Supper
Here's the link to the Faith Formation website: www.crcna.org/FaithFormation
We've also set up a Faith Formation discussion network. This particularly conversation is perfectly appropriate here in the Church Order network, but folks interested in this issue may want to keep an eye on the Faith Formation network as well.
I know alot of young people who have a better grasp of what being a Chrstian means than alot of the adults in our church. Why do we seek more laws when Jesus simplified and fullfilled them? Why do we feel the need to be gatekeepers of what we consider true faith and understanding? God chose David to slay the giant as adults cowardly complained and doudted. Public declaration of faith can happen at many ages according to His will. I think we need a case by case examination of younger people more than a church law. I do agree that to participate in communion should be treated as sacred when being performed accorrding to Scriptures.
I've been gone for a long time, but I'm back. Ken, I think you nailed it- many of these things are *our* concepts, not those of our Savior. I really like some of the reasoning in the new report. Christianity is not a complex thing- at its heart it is very basic- and I *do* think a child can grasp it.
I would have no problem with a 5 year old participating as long as they understand what we are doing. Through baptism they are members.
Thanks Clay,
You are better at this than I am, it took illness to humble me so I could look and listen to that "hunch" . I found the Lord convicting me in those spaces. A good kind of conviction that allows you to see more of God's kindom right around us at every moment. You blessed me today
Sorry for the mistakes I haven't figured out spell check on this site. Poor mind to hand cordination(it's pretty funny sometimes) My family gives a hard time on this(I deserve it because I dish out my share of pranks on them)
I see I didn't really address this on Jan, although Ken did. To that point, I agree that children can just as readily confess this point- do we need a "deeper" understanding of these issues to make the confession "real"? I used to be of the mindset that a young person couldn't really make profession of faith, since they hadn't been "tried" or really "tested" in life yet. I thought it should wait until later- once they have matured. However, later it struck me that there are many older confessing believers out there that have not really been "tested", and even if, what constitutes that point? After all, it's not an age issue, but really a spiritual maturity issue. In that case, the discussion should be about what constitutes spiritual maturity? I found myself at a loss there- the Bible tells us that confessing Jesus as our Lord and Savior is what it takes- and to me that makes sense- and can be done at nearly any age- and sometimes, as Ken pointed out, the simplest, most real confessions can come from those children.
Amen, Glory be to God
Thank you all for your comments, our church will have a meeting about this issue in a few weeks, it is a difficult thing, or is it? Just a small thing that popped into my mind, we are drinking wine (well, we use grape juice to avoid problems if a recovering alcoholic should be with us), are we breaking the law of the land if a young child drinks it, even the little bit we use? Another point, when one does profession they are full members of the church and allowed to vote, we sailed around that one by stipulating that the child was not able to vote until age 16, is this something that should be addressed?
Your question raised a valid concern to me- the legality. I did a little research and found this:
Section 436.1703, paragraph 11 of Michigan law states:
(11) The consumption by a minor of sacramental wine in connection with religious services at a church, synagogue, or temple is not prohibited by this act.
So, it would be perfectly legal under Michigan law.
As for your question about the age of voting in church, the faith formation committee has this proposed change:
(Proposed Article 59c and supplement):
c. Confessing members receive all the
privileges and responsibilities of suchmembership. Privileges include but arenot limited to presentation of childrenfor infant baptism, the right to vote atcongregational meetings, and eligibilityto hold office. Responsibilities includefull participation in the work, life, andmutual discipline of the local congregationand the universal body of Christ.(supplement):Each congregation shall determine theappropriate age at which a confessingmember shall receive such privileges andresponsibilities. I hope this helps! The full report can be found here: http://www.crcna.org/site_uploads/uploads/resources/synodical/FaithFormation.pdfThanks for the info and links
One more note to this conversation....
Since the Faith Formation Committee's proposal has not yet been acted upon (it will go to Synod 2011), the current Church Order article 59b is in effect. It says:
b. Confessing members who have reached the age of eighteen and who have made a commitment to the creeds of the Christian Reformed Church and the responsibilities of adult membership in the church shall be accordedthe full rights and privileges of such membership. http://www.crcna.org/site_uploads/uploads/resources/2010_churchorder.pdf
Great point Kathy- none of this has yet been adopted by Synod.
We hold a two-session orientation to the Lord's Supper for any children who ask to join the congregation in celebrating communion. We announce the sessions in the bulletin, the parents sign their kids up, we hold the two sessions on concurrent Sunday afternoons and we welcome them to the table the next time we have communion. We ask them to answer the question, "I want to participate in the Lord's Supper because..." and then we put the answers on an insert which is in the bulletin on the day they are welcomed to the table. Usually the sessions are made up of kids who are in Grade 4 and older since before that they are in Sunday School and don't experience communion very often. Once they are in worship for the whole service and experience worship they start asking why they can't join in. That's when the parents sign them up for the orientation. We run the orientation at least once per year. The first session focuses on the church as a family (how you join, what it means to belong, etc), and the second focuses on God's family at the table (where communion comes from, what it means, how it's done, etc.) Enfolding our children into the life of the congregation this way has been a real blessing for us.
I've asked the question before and no one seems to want to touch it. Are we supposed to use the front cover of the Banner some time ago which depicted an infant being given the bread & wine in celebration of the Lord's Supper as being age appropriate. One might think this is an official endorsement from our demonination's leadership.
John,
It is a magazine cover. It is moot to any issue on the Lord,s supper in most peoples minds. That is why you are not raising interest with the question.
John,
I would agree with Ken but say it in a slightly different way. Banner covers, like the covers of any magazine out there, are designed for only one purpose: to arouse interest in the reader to open up and read. Since the denomination has studied and is continuing to study whether children may be included in one way or another, under whatever conditions, the Banner chose a picture to put in an image where we are probing, not where we have been in the past.


