This thread makes a VERY IMPORTANT observation. Without "a demand that our people assent to the Apostles' Creed, Nicene Creed, Athanasian Creed and the three historic Reformed confessions" the CRC is a branch of the generic US civil religion.
No, no, no, yes, no. Not in North America. Apartheid was the name given to a collection of South African legislation. Since 1964 apartheid has been outlawed in the US and the Canadian Constitution is even more restrictive on one's personal preference in the public arena. In the history of the world every attempt at legislating moral attitude has failed. We don't need a new list of rules to be ignored. Our entire body of dogma could be replaced by "Jesus died for your sins and reconciled God to us. Now be reconciled to God. Love God and be a good neighbor."
40 years ago we moved out of Seattle because we did not want our children to be a part of a failing social experiment. Back then Seattle lost 100,000 people and the school district population dropped 40%. Only recently did Seattle go over 500,000 population and now only San Francisco has a fewer children per capita. Have read that half the children in Seattle go to some sort of private school or are home taught.
Another 40 years and the majority of people living on the Left Coast will have brownish skin color and people will choose their mates on a basis other than skin color. But until that happens I don't want my grandkids to take part in a failing social experiment. It might be a new world when the great grandkids are are old enough to leave home.
Was trying to demonstrate that reasonable people will put the best interest of their children ahead of any theoretical improvement in the moral climate of their local community which may be advanced by a new confession.
My response was irrelevant to people who opt out of the public school system so their children will not be told the universe is more than 10,000 years old. The secondary effect is that most CRC children will not be exposed to inner city children and inner city public schools. Forgive my waste of bandwidth.
Yes, it has recovered but it is not the same city. In 1962 it was a great family city and a blue coller family could afford to buy a house in a safe neighborhood. Now the only working people who can afford to buy inside Seattle city limits are high income people who can afford to send their kids to private schools.
During the the "Boeing recession" the population of King County increased at least as much as a Seattle shrunk. The new cities of Bellevue and Redmond on the east side of Lake Washington grew explosively.
This, I believe, was due to Seattle School Board policies and the end of red lining. The professional black people moved out of the Central Area and I suspect mostly across Lake washington. The vacancies were filled by dopers and hippies. In the old days, the Rainier Valley was mostly blue collar people, lots of old Italian families, and was called "Garlic Gulch." There were many old family run businesses on Rainier Avenue.
After the effects of the 1964 Civil Rights Act the Valley became a dangerous wasteland. (People who live there say it is still dangerous to ride the number seven bus.) I was working in Chinatown during the trashing and rebirth of Seattle. Pre-freeway Seattle's Chinatown was cut in half by the freeway and the east half became vacant lots, dopers, prostitutes, and wino taverns. The rest of Chinatown became "seedy" and run down and stayed that was for 10 years until Bob Santos started a push to turn it around.
Meanwhile, the Vietnam was winding down and Seattle became the port of entry for the poorest of the refugees - those with money went to the Gulf Coast and California. The people in the welfare housing complained, "Theys taking our housing and welfare money." (The 2nd generation became small business owners, the 3rd generation are earning the school awards, doctors, dentists, lawyers . . . the trash people have the projects to themselves.)
What turned Seattle around? There were many vacant store fronts in Chinatown. The Vietnam refugees rented them because they were cheap and had cultural ties to the locals. They lived in the back room. The wife sold veggies and tourist stuff in front while the husband worked two or three low paying jobs.
One family who had a store in the 600 blk of South Jackson, the husband worked three jobs, saved enough to buy half a vacant block on So. Jackson just east of the freeway. He built a strip mall which included a big store for himself. Other refugees began to follow his example and the renewal spread south along Rainier Avenue almost to city limits. The refugees made it safe for white people to start moving back and the city did some beautification along Rainier.
The safe area spread east into the Central Area and the land was mysteriously rezoned for high rise yuppy apartments and condos. The low income minorities (can't say "trash" on this list) called it "gentrification," which means removing the old washing machines from the front yards, and moved south to Renton and Kent, causing "big city" problems in those towns and school districts.
The public school district has gone over 50,000 kids (was 90,000 in 1962), from 12% minority to 40% minority (the city is about 30% minority) and is still closing school buildings for lack of children - been closing schools for 30 years.
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In other words, we may tithe but 90% of the tithe money is spent on keeping ourselves comfortable and entertained?
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I have always accepted the dictum, "The one who pays the piper names the tune." If a person raises 100% of his business expenses . . . .
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Unless Synod delegates are very much unlike the members of First Everett CRC, it is a problem to get people to agree to be synodical officers.
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Is the Synod legally liable for Calvin College's debts? In other words, will the congregations be asked to pay off the debts if worst comes to worst?
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Excellent suggestion. About time CRC members started talking to each other and this might be a start.
Posted in: Article 59 Assent to Creeds
This thread makes a VERY IMPORTANT observation. Without "a demand that our people assent to the Apostles' Creed, Nicene Creed, Athanasian Creed and the three historic Reformed confessions" the CRC is a branch of the generic US civil religion.
Posted in: Adopt the Belhar (The Banner, Nov 2010)
No, no, no, yes, no. Not in North America. Apartheid was the name given to a collection of South African legislation. Since 1964 apartheid has been outlawed in the US and the Canadian Constitution is even more restrictive on one's personal preference in the public arena. In the history of the world every attempt at legislating moral attitude has failed. We don't need a new list of rules to be ignored. Our entire body of dogma could be replaced by "Jesus died for your sins and reconciled God to us. Now be reconciled to God. Love God and be a good neighbor."
Posted in: Adopt the Belhar (The Banner, Nov 2010)
40 years ago we moved out of Seattle because we did not want our children to be a part of a failing social experiment. Back then Seattle lost 100,000 people and the school district population dropped 40%. Only recently did Seattle go over 500,000 population and now only San Francisco has a fewer children per capita. Have read that half the children in Seattle go to some sort of private school or are home taught.
Another 40 years and the majority of people living on the Left Coast will have brownish skin color and people will choose their mates on a basis other than skin color. But until that happens I don't want my grandkids to take part in a failing social experiment. It might be a new world when the great grandkids are are old enough to leave home.
Posted in: Adopt the Belhar (The Banner, Nov 2010)
Was trying to demonstrate that reasonable people will put the best interest of their children ahead of any theoretical improvement in the moral climate of their local community which may be advanced by a new confession.
Posted in: Adopt the Belhar (The Banner, Nov 2010)
My response was irrelevant to people who opt out of the public school system so their children will not be told the universe is more than 10,000 years old. The secondary effect is that most CRC children will not be exposed to inner city children and inner city public schools. Forgive my waste of bandwidth.
Posted in: Adopt the Belhar (The Banner, Nov 2010)
Yes, it has recovered but it is not the same city. In 1962 it was a great family city and a blue coller family could afford to buy a house in a safe neighborhood. Now the only working people who can afford to buy inside Seattle city limits are high income people who can afford to send their kids to private schools.
During the the "Boeing recession" the population of King County increased at least as much as a Seattle shrunk. The new cities of Bellevue and Redmond on the east side of Lake Washington grew explosively.
This, I believe, was due to Seattle School Board policies and the end of red lining. The professional black people moved out of the Central Area and I suspect mostly across Lake washington. The vacancies were filled by dopers and hippies. In the old days, the Rainier Valley was mostly blue collar people, lots of old Italian families, and was called "Garlic Gulch." There were many old family run businesses on Rainier Avenue.
After the effects of the 1964 Civil Rights Act the Valley became a dangerous wasteland. (People who live there say it is still dangerous to ride the number seven bus.) I was working in Chinatown during the trashing and rebirth of Seattle. Pre-freeway Seattle's Chinatown was cut in half by the freeway and the east half became vacant lots, dopers, prostitutes, and wino taverns. The rest of Chinatown became "seedy" and run down and stayed that was for 10 years until Bob Santos started a push to turn it around.
Meanwhile, the Vietnam was winding down and Seattle became the port of entry for the poorest of the refugees - those with money went to the Gulf Coast and California. The people in the welfare housing complained, "Theys taking our housing and welfare money." (The 2nd generation became small business owners, the 3rd generation are earning the school awards, doctors, dentists, lawyers . . . the trash people have the projects to themselves.)
What turned Seattle around? There were many vacant store fronts in Chinatown. The Vietnam refugees rented them because they were cheap and had cultural ties to the locals. They lived in the back room. The wife sold veggies and tourist stuff in front while the husband worked two or three low paying jobs.
One family who had a store in the 600 blk of South Jackson, the husband worked three jobs, saved enough to buy half a vacant block on So. Jackson just east of the freeway. He built a strip mall which included a big store for himself. Other refugees began to follow his example and the renewal spread south along Rainier Avenue almost to city limits. The refugees made it safe for white people to start moving back and the city did some beautification along Rainier.
The safe area spread east into the Central Area and the land was mysteriously rezoned for high rise yuppy apartments and condos. The low income minorities (can't say "trash" on this list) called it "gentrification," which means removing the old washing machines from the front yards, and moved south to Renton and Kent, causing "big city" problems in those towns and school districts.
The public school district has gone over 50,000 kids (was 90,000 in 1962), from 12% minority to 40% minority (the city is about 30% minority) and is still closing school buildings for lack of children - been closing schools for 30 years.
Posted in: Adopt the Belhar (The Banner, Nov 2010)
Nothing tough about it. I loved working in Chinatown. If you lived through those days in Seattle I would be pleased to read your version.