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Thank you for reminding us.  I wonder if the education of the original languages has been placed in the background of individuals being prepared for ministry or those who have no seminary education should at least be required to take course in Hebrew and Greek as a condition of ordination?

When do the cows come home?  But there is something like historical research so we can distinquish between a fairy tale anda  story from a historical perspective.

Al Lindemulder on July 16, 2012

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I really do not think that is the best word.  It has implications of being out of control like a wild horse.  Lack of concern for anyone else.  God listens to our prayers and answers our prayers with our best interest in mind.  It is a relationship so I find it to be a questionable way to discribe God.  But that is just my opinion as to how I interrupt the word.

Al Lindemulder on July 16, 2012

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Good points - I guess my overview point is, are we as consistories monitoring the music in our churches as mentioned in the church order?  It just struck me as a bit odd when we were singing it but really I did not object as much as the blog may have indicated. 

Al Lindemulder on July 18, 2012

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I think it is possible to question the judgment of others in picking songs.  The Hymnal has a history of scrutiny and approval by way of Synodical decisions.  I am not certain each individual has the collective theological wisdom to scrutinize songss as well as the collective mind of the entire body (CRC).  I know I don't.  However the bigger issue is the role of consistories in giving leadership to our worship services and I am not sure that much time is spent in consistory meetings on the issue of worship.

Appreciate your comments.  I would suggest as leaders in the church we need to give reasons for why we have the order of worship we do.  Elders in the past were more active than they are today and not sure why that is the case.

I agree, Howard, there are perimeters.  But as a confessional church "what we believe" does come first.  As I mentioned in my illustration with the Social Justice Office of the denomination, we disagree how we should carry out what we believe to a certain extent, but both of our solutions are based on what we believe in common.  I will be doing further posts on the elements of worship and question why some churches have abandon them all together.  I think we would agree that churches in our denomination have taking liberties with "how we worship".  Recently I was in three different churches with three completely different styles of worship.  The question have is if we believe the same thing, how do those "differences in worship style" reflect that same belief?

Thanks for the constructive comments and a good idea to supply training materials for the elders that would include a history of Reformed liturgy.

Thank you - I think that is a great idea and a way to know how the congregation is responding to your sermons. 

al

I agree with you.  But my point is how are we replacing the traditional "Family/Household visit" with meaningful contact by the elders.  Your suggestion is certainly one way of doing it.  I think the elders need to be involved in making that "meaningful" contact.

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