Although the "regional rates" are interesting, a "rational basis or policy guide" might be of greater use to determine the "fair & consistant" amount for travel, sermon preparation, communion, baptism & worship leadership".....etc.
A council in Canada twice required a 10 cent refund from their pastor when on classical pulpit suppliy he received $4 travel only compensation and the train ticket was $3.90. The 3rd time he was unanimously directed to keep it & buy a good cigar. Now they had a "policy" & they were paying his FULL salary!
Scott - now that is an excellent answer & helpful in making a fair reasoned decision. Is it fair to estimate that a minister works around 2,000 hours/year, then divide the "average, local, annual" wage by 2K as a fair hour rate of compensation + travel? [Sample: $60,000/2,000x4 hours=$________?]. I realize "# of hours" is the difficult figure to know. Thanks for sharing yours!
It's like the "tower of babel" out there with our very senior (paper + large print), church mail boxes, USPS....then email, text, Kakao Talk (Korean), FB page, Instagram, e-vite events + paper invitations, zoom meeting invitations (or Face time, What's app, Google meets,..... & MORE). The "question" is posed as "yes or no". Once one chooses "NO" then, how does a church ensure ALL folks are included-connected? OR, is it OK that some become disconnected or just hard of hearing? Not and easy decision today and I suspect, in the future it will get more complicated rather than less as "tech advances" ;-).
I know our members use "ALL of the above" to connect with other members or those new to our congregation and still hear, "I didn't get that!" :-(.
I read the tough questions and they gave me reason to ponder deeply.
You're thoughtful, kind and judicious reply is very well worth reading and saving for regular application as Elder and a person. I will share it with many others!
Thank you very very much. looking forward to your further Contributions.
A person "after God's own heart" (King David) did as much or worse (multiple murders as well) and was fully restored to God's favor with repentance & forgiveness.
You're on the right track. Contact a local Christian pastor or elder or Christian counselor you trust and let them guide you along your journey of repentance, restoration & recovery. Don't delay!
What do you need most today? What do you want most today?
Accountable is very different from forgivable. I am held accountable for my speeding on the highway and must pay the consequences with money, tickets, higher insurance, jail time, loss of relationships....whatever the results. Regardless, my guilt for all my sins were paid by Christ the day I believed in Him as MY savior.....55 years ago. That same forgiveness is still available to You. ALL your sins, not just some.
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Although the "regional rates" are interesting, a "rational basis or policy guide" might be of greater use to determine the "fair & consistant" amount for travel, sermon preparation, communion, baptism & worship leadership".....etc.
A council in Canada twice required a 10 cent refund from their pastor when on classical pulpit suppliy he received $4 travel only compensation and the train ticket was $3.90. The 3rd time he was unanimously directed to keep it & buy a good cigar. Now they had a "policy" & they were paying his FULL salary!
Posted in: Compensation for Pulpit Supply?
Scott - now that is an excellent answer & helpful in making a fair reasoned decision. Is it fair to estimate that a minister works around 2,000 hours/year, then divide the "average, local, annual" wage by 2K as a fair hour rate of compensation + travel? [Sample: $60,000/2,000x4 hours=$________?]. I realize "# of hours" is the difficult figure to know. Thanks for sharing yours!
Posted in: Compensation for Pulpit Supply?
Thanks to Scott for his excellent reasoned reply. All helpful for good policy creation for fair compensation.
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It's like the "tower of babel" out there with our very senior (paper + large print), church mail boxes, USPS....then email, text, Kakao Talk (Korean), FB page, Instagram, e-vite events + paper invitations, zoom meeting invitations (or Face time, What's app, Google meets,..... & MORE). The "question" is posed as "yes or no". Once one chooses "NO" then, how does a church ensure ALL folks are included-connected? OR, is it OK that some become disconnected or just hard of hearing? Not and easy decision today and I suspect, in the future it will get more complicated rather than less as "tech advances" ;-).
I know our members use "ALL of the above" to connect with other members or those new to our congregation and still hear, "I didn't get that!" :-(.
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Wow Eric!
I read the tough questions and they gave me reason to ponder deeply.
You're thoughtful, kind and judicious reply is very well worth reading and saving for regular application as Elder and a person. I will share it with many others!
Thank you very very much. looking forward to your further Contributions.
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Posted in: What Is a "High-Handed" Sin and Why Should the Church Care?
Dear Lisa,
A person "after God's own heart" (King David) did as much or worse (multiple murders as well) and was fully restored to God's favor with repentance & forgiveness.
You're on the right track. Contact a local Christian pastor or elder or Christian counselor you trust and let them guide you along your journey of repentance, restoration & recovery. Don't delay!
What do you need most today? What do you want most today?
Posted in: What Is a "High-Handed" Sin and Why Should the Church Care?
Lisa,
Accountable is very different from forgivable. I am held accountable for my speeding on the highway and must pay the consequences with money, tickets, higher insurance, jail time, loss of relationships....whatever the results. Regardless, my guilt for all my sins were paid by Christ the day I believed in Him as MY savior.....55 years ago. That same forgiveness is still available to You. ALL your sins, not just some.
Go connect with that Christian counselor.