Allen Kleine Deters
I am a former church planter and now pastor at Northend Church (Mennonite Brethren) in St. Catharines, ON church plant yet to be named. I am married to an amazing godly woman now a retired nurse. She has a huge heart for hurting people and especially those working through trauma and seeking healing. Between us we have 7 children 5 grand babies. I am committed to Kingdom Theology and deeply believe in a biblical community that develops disciples for Christ. I am a small group geek and believe they are the best avenue in this endeavor. When managed with vision and mission small groups can cover most areas needed in developing as disciples of Jesus Christ and guiding people to live in missional communities.
Oh yeah, I'm also "The Reverend" formerly of the blues band, Reverend and the Blues Pushers, but now playing solo in my new parish community.
"Agape love alive and breathing, the Word and the power of Holy Spirit = reached people and changed lives"
Posted in: Give Ear
Ken,
You are so right that most of our communication is non-verbal. I have a little pie chart in my office that I show couples who I counsel and it's in the marriage series I mentioned as well. It breaks down communication into three areas; Body Language and Facial Expressions, Tone of Voice, and Words. Experts say that we communicate 55% through our body language and facial expressions, about 38% through our tone of voice and only 7% through our words.
In active listening we need to consider all those areas. Listening encompasses a whole lot more than just words. But my point is that we don't listen very well as a general practice. We tend to miss the words and are poor at asking clarification questions to get past some of the other body and tone communication that's going on. We tend to just respond.
Posted in: Why I Like Sermon-based Small Groups
Phil,
That's awesome. That format is a great idea. We've just decided to go the "window" route too. People enjoy that. A few groups prefer not to break too long. But I think having seasons gives people a bit of breathing room like you said.
Love you book btw. Freda and I have been using through Lent.
Posted in: Why I Like Sermon-based Small Groups
Mike,
It's great that you've gotten some small groups happening at your church. I can see how it could be a little difficult when you have a number of people doing the preaching. Having a set format for developing your study guide helps tremendously with that. My suggestion, if you haven't alread, is to make sure the preaching team and staff are on the same page as to what you're trying to accomplish with the groups in terms of end result as to how people respond to the study. We are very focused on discipleship so we make sure that the application questions really take people beyond loosely applying the biblical text to their lives. I've been told that my questions really challenge people to share their spiritual and personal struggles and then to receive accountability from the group.
It may be helpful too for everyone to have a copy of the small group leaders best friend, The Seredipity Small Groups bible. There are questions for every pericope in the bible broken into three sections; starters, dig and application. I always have it open when I'm putting studies together. It can be helpful when you're not sure where to go with it or need a few helpful questions to include.
I'm happy to send you some sample copies of what I use here. Just let me know.
Keep up the good work.
Allen
Posted in: Two Books--Reviews: Both Bouquets and Near Brickbats
I did read Love Wins and was saddened and left with many more questions about his pop theology and use of scripture. I also found it lacking greatly in the work of the Holy Spirit in the whole discussion as well as reading scripture within the framework of the whole bible. I'm very much on the same page as Scott Hoezee and Mary Vanden Berg also a professor at Calvin Sem.
Posted in: Why I Like Sermon-based Small Groups
We've tried it in a previous church. But the truth is both the adults and teens would rather not discuss their lives together. Having been a youth pastor for many years I couldn't see it working. Youth are dealing with vastly different issues of which they don't feel very comfortable discussing amongst themselves let alone with a bunch of adults who generally like to tell them how to live their lives. Our youth have their own small groups discussing things more pertinent to their concerns and in a way that connects with them. We do get adults and youth together from time to time for kind of round table discussions. We get them involved in other ways.
I personally don't think that just getting the youth and young adults into mixed groups will change anything. It's a whole church systemic and mindset thing that's creating a gap. That's a whole different discussion altogether.
Posted in: Everyone a Missionary?
Okay, I'll weigh in here. I appreciate what has been said thus far. All I can say is that if ALL Christians are called to join God and participate in his mission in the world, then ALL Christians are missionaries of a sort whether in their own corner of the world in their community or as professionally trained missionaries.
I believe that part of the church equipping people for works of service includes how they are missionaries in their work places as well. Too often we make it sound as if the only valuable work of a Christian is how they serve in the church. People are looking to be equipped for ministering in the work place too.
Posted in: Everyone a Missionary?
Here's where I'm coming from for the most part.
Are You a Trader?
Posted in: Everyone a Missionary?
My situation is this, we are working at growing a deeper partnering relationship with a Zambian pastor and his church (s) we have been supporting for some time. Two of us recently went there and firmly believe that working side by side even in stms is valuable. They want it and we want it. I can't help think that the discussion should not be all about best use of $$ because we all know it is not cheap to send people to Africa, but rather the significance of building such a relationship for the long-haul. It is valuable for them in connecting people and for us. Sometimes we need to experience a different culture just to see what God is doing and can do. Some people might say, "just send them money", but is that necessarily the best option for every situation?
Posted in: Everyone a Missionary?
I'm with you on this one Ken.
Lou, I hear your passion but also your angst. I believe the Holy Spirit can work in people's lives despite us and our imperfect system. But I picture you saying your comments with a lot of finger wagging. This is a tough issue the church is working through.
BTW, this pastor from Zambia has come to see us 3 times in the past six years to encourage us, report and has blessed our congregation in many ways by doing so. And seriously, it would be silly to even think that some of their folks could come here to work with us... unless we paid for it. You have to work with what you've got.
Posted in: Everyone a Missionary?
Steve, I agree with you on that.
Posted in: Everyone a Missionary?
In online conversation shouting is done in all uppercase -- SHOUTING. Sorry, didn't mean to shout ;-)
Posted in: Everyone a Missionary?
Thanks Fronse,
I had a similar experience this past summer in Zambia. We were in Chipata about 4-5 hours from Lusaka. We support a Reformed Pastor there. It was a very necessary trip to establish a deeper connection with the people there. They were soooo greatful and our relationship was strengthened. We saw many needs and projects first hand and are now making plans to work together on some of these projects. We've already established a new Zambian Ed fund to help students go to school and especially college.