John Foster

Yes Mark, I didn't think about your readers in Canada or other countries where the laws and issues for the disabled are different than in the USA.  It would be a major undertaking just to begin a larger discussion in this country, much less to bring those outside the USA into it.  I guess your blog here is a small start, eh?  I hope more readers will weigh-in on this.

Diane,

Having worked as a trainer, casemanager, and job placement staff in a sheltered workshop (I prefer the term, "vocational training center") for much of my career, I can fully understand the challenges you and most programs of this type face.  I am not familiar with Brampton, or the surrounding area, but I assume there are businesses that could be tapped for potential work for the folks in the training facility.  It takes commitment, and a willingness to be flexible, and to think outside the box in order to build partnerships with local employers.  The board and the staff all should be seeing this as part of thier job there.  At the workshop I was at, we had a dedicated team that was out making contacts in the community and maintaining those relationship while building new ones.  Getting involved with the local chambers of commerce was helpful.  We also tapped into some set-aside work contracts that the U.S. gov't. makes available to vocational training centers to help bring work in-house.  In several cases, we were able to have small, supervised crews of folks go out to an employer's facility to perform specific work projects.  Some of these lasted for months, while some were shorter in duration.  But it was quite useful because it gave our workers a chance to work outside the workshop while obsering how other people work in the community.  I don't know if the Canadian gov't. provides work projects for workshops, but that would be something to check into.  I wish you good luck!

John

Mark,

I am in full agreement with your 3 points and aguement for keeping vocational workshop programs for people who have more significant barriers that would most likely keep them from ever finding regualr, meaningful employment.  Having worked for many years in the rehabilitation field, including 28 years as a case manager and employment specialist in a local vocational workshop, I can fully appreciate the opportunities that this type of work place offers to those who can thrive in a supportive environment that allows them to learn skills, earn a little money, and reach their potential, whatever level that may be.  I recently debated the issue in a meeting of State rehabilitation counselors and other professionals, so I know that it is an issue that is and will confront communities around the country.  Those of us who see our selves as strong advocates for persons with disabilities, or who live with a disability need to be aware of this issue and be prepared to speak to it from our experience and from our hearts.

John Foster

Holland, MI

Hi Mark,

As you are aware, the movement towards greater independence for persons with disabilities has been gathering steam since the "90's/2000's.  Starting with independent or semi-independent housing, community awareness and accessability, it has now moved into the realm of employment rights and accessability.  While I am very much in favor of improving the quality of life for persons with disabilities in these ways, my knowledge and experience have kept me from taking an over-zealous stand against community supports, like vocational workshops, and adult foster care, etc.  My position is simply that, for each individual with a severe or chronic disability, there should be choices that they and/or their family or guardian can review and determine what will work best for them.  This is how most people live their lives, so to have choices taken away is to not be allowed to live in the world as the rest of us do.  Several years ago, the Ottawa Co. CMH, where I live here in Michigan, tried to withdraw most of their support funding for the local vocational workshop, in favor of folks being involved with unpaid, community awareness programs.  In-home services were to be another option.  Effectively, the CMH was deciding to no longer offer the option for some folks to go to their jobs, earn a paycheck, and learn new work and social skills.  Parents of the people at the workshp gathered as a group, and spoke out against this idea, and eventually, the CMH board gave up on the idea.  Grassroots efforts such as this have taken place in several other counties in Michigan that I am aware of, although I have not followed up to know whether they were successful in protecting their vocational workshop programs.  This issue of course, has much to do with dwindling state and federal funds for maintaining such programs, but advocates for change have jumped on the bandwagon as well.

I hope our conversation here will generate more interest and comments from others on either side of this issue.

John 

This would be a many faceted discussion.  If it were possible, a number of groups and interested parties should be invited.  My initial choices would include: persons with a disablity, disability advocates, vocational rehabilitation counselors, community mental health professionals, employers, employment specialists, and local, state and federal legislators.  I would also consider including advocasy groups like Nat'l. Alliance for the mentally Ill (NAMI) , Centers for Independent Living, Brain Injury Association (BIA), and groups that support and advocate for other disabilities.  I would include churches on the list, depending on their willingness to participate.  Quite a list, and I'm sure there are more.  The enactment of the ADA, and new rules under the EEOC have improved the outlook for employment for many persons with disabilities, but those mentioned by Ms. Short are the ones who fall through the cracks of the laws.  The other consideration to take into account is how employers have changed their job descriptions and hiring practices since the economy took a downward turn, and how they are reacting to the new health care law.  Not to get too political about that, but I am seeing many private and government employers taking steps to downsize their full-time positions to part-time, or taking other steps to avoid what they perceive as the higher costs of proving health care under the new laws.  I believe this will have an impact on persons with disabilities who are or will be seeking work.  Hope this isn't getting the conversation off track.

Mark,

You asked me to comment on how churches can help persons with disabilities in their congregations with finding employment?  Some thoughts on that:

Talk with the person about their interests and experience/skills.  What family and community supports are in-place to assist the person. 

Share information about employers and businesses that you are familiar with (but, be aware of the need for confidentiality regarding not naming the person's specific disability.) 

If the person does not have a job developer or other agency person working on emloyment with them, ask if you could help them with obtaining and completing job applications.

If they have professional help, find out who that person and agency is, and offer to help with contacting employers, and with acting as a mentor.  Agencies that the person may be involved with include: State Mental Health Services, State Vocational Rehabilitation Services, Services for the Deaf and/or Blind, Private Rehabilitation agencies, Special Ed. Transtion Program (if still in high school), to name a few

Offer to help with transportation if needed.  In rural communities, this is often a barrier for people with a disability who cannot drive, or don't have access to public transportation.

Speak with business people in your congregation and the community on behalf of the person to find out if they would be willing to meet the person to talk about their company and the jobs that people do there.