I'm so glad that VIS is able to help Grand Rapids-area churches take the next steps. Not everyone is ready to jump in to the Communities First methodology. Those that do find it very rewarding - watch for an upcoming Network blog!
Thanks for sharing that, Ken. Arturo will be in my prayers. And, look for a guest post in a couple of weeks from ASJ/AJS about what it's like to do ministry in Honduras, the country with the highest murder rate in the world.
It is surprising, especially since it seems like every church would have at least one budding amateur photographer who would love to volunteer to take some more candid photos. It could even be a fun youth project - images of our church, or something.
CRWM and CRWRC do not start new churches; rather, we work with denominations that are already in the country. To learn more about what the CRC is doing in Zambia, you can visit these links:
I don't think that churches should be boring. That doesn't mean they need to be entertaining in the pop culture sense of the word, but the congregation should be engaged. I'm not sure how to describe it, but sometimes when I attend a church as a guest it has the feel of being incredibly stifling. This has happened to me in both traditional and contemporary churches. The difference is in traditional churches it makes me feel like everyone is just punching in their time in the pew, whereas in contemporary churches it feels like I might just as well have stayed home and watched it on TV.
I currently attend a church plant so we do drink coffee during the service. It's definitely not boring. But neither is it boring when I visit a traditional church - the singing is often very beautiful and the people friendly.
So, I guess the question boils down to, if one thinks their church is boring, it is important to identify what is boring about it.
I'm interested in learning what the term undocumented immigrant means. Is it that they entered legally but their papers lapsed because they didn't know what they were supposed to do? Entered illegally? Attending Calvin as a Canadian spouse and not supposed to be in the US on a particular visa? In the process of getting a green card but it's not all the way through the system yet? I suppose it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because if they are in your church or community you need to show love to them, but there are a lot of scenarios I can think of where someone would find themselves undocumented without knowingly breaking any laws.
It seems that many do not attend church within walking distance (some commuting 30 minutes or more by car) so that would indeed be an interesting experiment!
Hi Doug, I did not mean those sentences as categories, merely as examples of where greed might be present. Also, I did not mean to imply that making money and kingdom work were mutually exclusive. Rather, in the Banner example, the parent was discouraging his child from going into nonprofit work because he was concerned that he wouldn't be able to afford to support a family or Christian schools. One might be surprised how often this happens - parents are dismayed that their child wants to be a youth worker or missionary because they will not make as much money as they might doing other things. If someone is called to be a lawyer, a doctor, or a business executive, that does not mean they are doing any less kingdom work than someone being called to be a pastor or a missionary. However, I do think it's wrong if people resist the call to do kingdom work if they are gifted in that area simply because they feel they won't make enough money.
Hope that makes sense. Miscommunication and assumptions are one reason I try to stay away from commenting on complex issues online. That and people are so quick to categorize and politicize. It's interesting, isn't it? If someone says that rich people just might be greedy, the assumption is that that person thinks the poor are special and somehow more godly. If someone says the poor might be greedy, the assumption is that they subscribe to health and wealth gospel and don't recognize that some people are poor due to circumstance or injustice.
wondering if you are familiar with the Healthy Church Survey that is offered? I was recently trained in coaching the process and I think it is a great way to help churches have open, honest discussions about their hopes and dreams and come up with concrete ways to move forward together. http://www2.crcna.org/pages/healthy_church.cfm
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I'm so glad that VIS is able to help Grand Rapids-area churches take the next steps. Not everyone is ready to jump in to the Communities First methodology. Those that do find it very rewarding - watch for an upcoming Network blog!
Posted in: 5 Lessons From Honduras on Short-Term Missions
Thanks for sharing that, Ken. Arturo will be in my prayers. And, look for a guest post in a couple of weeks from ASJ/AJS about what it's like to do ministry in Honduras, the country with the highest murder rate in the world.
Posted in: Vacation Bible School as Missions
I'm not sure that CEF has quite the same community development approach that we're advocating . . .would be great if you could join our webinar!
Posted in: Moving Beyond Pictures Of Empty Buildings
It is surprising, especially since it seems like every church would have at least one budding amateur photographer who would love to volunteer to take some more candid photos. It could even be a fun youth project - images of our church, or something.
Posted in: China Missionary Becomes Great Great Grandfather to China Orphan
Greetings,
CRWM and CRWRC do not start new churches; rather, we work with denominations that are already in the country. To learn more about what the CRC is doing in Zambia, you can visit these links:
http://www.crwrc.org/pages/crwrc_samt_zambia.cfm
http://www.crcna.org/pages/crwm_glance_zambia.cfm
Posted in: Church is Boring!
I don't think that churches should be boring. That doesn't mean they need to be entertaining in the pop culture sense of the word, but the congregation should be engaged. I'm not sure how to describe it, but sometimes when I attend a church as a guest it has the feel of being incredibly stifling. This has happened to me in both traditional and contemporary churches. The difference is in traditional churches it makes me feel like everyone is just punching in their time in the pew, whereas in contemporary churches it feels like I might just as well have stayed home and watched it on TV.
I currently attend a church plant so we do drink coffee during the service. It's definitely not boring. But neither is it boring when I visit a traditional church - the singing is often very beautiful and the people friendly.
So, I guess the question boils down to, if one thinks their church is boring, it is important to identify what is boring about it.
Posted in: Why Does the CRC Encourage Congregations to Speak Up on Behalf of Undocumented Immigrants?
I'm interested in learning what the term undocumented immigrant means. Is it that they entered legally but their papers lapsed because they didn't know what they were supposed to do? Entered illegally? Attending Calvin as a Canadian spouse and not supposed to be in the US on a particular visa? In the process of getting a green card but it's not all the way through the system yet? I suppose it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because if they are in your church or community you need to show love to them, but there are a lot of scenarios I can think of where someone would find themselves undocumented without knowingly breaking any laws.
Posted in: Crossing Cultures at Home
Thanks Steve! Great article.
Another recent Banner article that people might enjoy is 10 Questions for Debriefing After a Missions Trip
Posted in: Puzzling about Creation Care—Part 2—A Rant
It seems that many do not attend church within walking distance (some commuting 30 minutes or more by car) so that would indeed be an interesting experiment!
Posted in: Guard Against All Kinds of Greed - a Reflection on Luke 12
Hi Doug, I did not mean those sentences as categories, merely as examples of where greed might be present. Also, I did not mean to imply that making money and kingdom work were mutually exclusive. Rather, in the Banner example, the parent was discouraging his child from going into nonprofit work because he was concerned that he wouldn't be able to afford to support a family or Christian schools. One might be surprised how often this happens - parents are dismayed that their child wants to be a youth worker or missionary because they will not make as much money as they might doing other things. If someone is called to be a lawyer, a doctor, or a business executive, that does not mean they are doing any less kingdom work than someone being called to be a pastor or a missionary. However, I do think it's wrong if people resist the call to do kingdom work if they are gifted in that area simply because they feel they won't make enough money.
Hope that makes sense. Miscommunication and assumptions are one reason I try to stay away from commenting on complex issues online. That and people are so quick to categorize and politicize. It's interesting, isn't it? If someone says that rich people just might be greedy, the assumption is that that person thinks the poor are special and somehow more godly. If someone says the poor might be greedy, the assumption is that they subscribe to health and wealth gospel and don't recognize that some people are poor due to circumstance or injustice.
Posted in: Name Change: Will It Be a Relief to Be “Renew?”
Here is a link to the CRWRC news story: http://www.crcna.org/news.cfm?detailid=3556&newsid=3528
Posted in: Classis: Diagnosing and Prescribing
wondering if you are familiar with the Healthy Church Survey that is offered? I was recently trained in coaching the process and I think it is a great way to help churches have open, honest discussions about their hopes and dreams and come up with concrete ways to move forward together. http://www2.crcna.org/pages/healthy_church.cfm