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It is the action in this comment that makes me nervous. Not renewing a contract sounds too easy. How old was this Pastor? How long had he been in this location? How long had he been a Pastor? If the rules of his engagement had changed (and that is possible) there could be labour law action that apply. Certainly in Canada this approach would not be simple.  

I just want to be assured that this Pastor was treated fairly regardless of the reason for termination.

Is Dr. Carlson's report to the COD going  be shown at the Synod Meeting?  A report on the FTE  growth of the CRCNA HO functions (excluding  Calvin University and World Renew) since 2018 would cause some really good discussions.

 

What I do not understand is why folks who think like you do not leave the CRC and join churches that have already solved this problem. They are crying (dying) for members. Way back in the 1970/80's we had people that said Love is the "be all and end all".     But not in all places or situations.

"Sola scriptura, meaning by scripture alone, is a Christian theological doctrine held by some Protestant Christian denominations, in particular the Lutheran and Reformed traditions of Protestantism, that posits the Bible as the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice."

Notice the word "some".  Hence my first comment. At least up to some point the CRC was clearly in the Reformed tradition.

Your call is too late. This, like the same issue in the world, is unstoppable humanly speaking. You are probably not the only one that has not been consulted. All members in the CRC will be put into a position of having to make a decision in June, no matter what the Synod decides. I for one have made it already.  I can no longer handle the trauma of these situations. 

I have said it before, the method of assigning Synod reps this year will be a challenging (traumatic) one.  

Kathy raises a significant point. The members that make up a Synod can vote with their conscience. The problem is that they have often not made their own church council aware of that conscience. Here is where democracy can play havoc.   To send people to Synod who, when they can vote which ever way they "feel" at the time, leaves the rest of us in a quandary. So how a process "to have their own input as uniquely positioned stake holders..... respected" is an interesting way of putting this.  I am (a concerned outsider) trying to figure out how this will affect the denomination. Will a Pastor (Elders can at least not be fired) who comes back from Synod having voted a way that was not what the local Elders felt was appropriate be fired? What happens then to their "uniquely positioned shareholder stake"?

Like the RCA there are no easy answers. But they, at least, gave at least some "no win"  options. Sadly I can only posit the problems but not solutions. Scripture can but many can not fundamentally agree there either. I urge all those going to Synod to let their own congregations know where they stand and eliminate any surprises. Surely 10 years is enough to make up one's mind?

The first halve of the above is very valid.

Combining resources to achieve (certainly international and media ministries) mission outreach is something that should be thought through very carefully before being abandoned. The world is getting smaller is one side, the other is that people are becoming introverted (self absorbed). Having 20 independent missions in, say for example, Haiti, is not a wise use of resources of  20 organizations, all staffed with well paid managers.

"Instead, use that energy to delegate wise, godly and discerning leaders to classis and Synod. Pray for them. And then, invest enormously in your local church’s life together in Christ."

 

This is the key issue and very good advice! The selection process for this Synod will be critical. Sometime back I suggested that the various Classes select double the number required delegates and then draw lots for the the four (or  whatever number) that will attend. With God in charge of everything that may be the way to go.

"Just Decide Already! Can’t We Just Vote and Move On?"

We have just done that and moved out. After 75 years I think we have been very patient. We still care but not enough to stay.

 

What synod approved regarding the way the church wants to change the MS process will bring to the fore what people in the pew feel about the ministries they want to support. So the in `pledge` (whatever that really means) my congregation may state that they do not support any funds for OSJ or the Canadian equivalent. We might suggest cutting air travel and reduce the pledge for Synodical expenses.  I think the leadership has punted the membership and financial issues down to Classis and the churches and hope and pray the problem will be resolved.

When an overture needs to give as an example" the marriage between a widow and a widower", what other examples are possible in today's environment? For that reason alone this overture should be withdrawn.

Here is an extract from a Google inquiry that seems to me to make the overture irrelevant:

""Married and common-law spouses do not file “joint” tax returns. That is a US/IRS option. ... Once you are common-law, to be considered common-law, two people must live together in a conjugal relationship for 12 months or immediately if you have a child together, then you must file as common-law. There is no choice here."

In Canada you can make pre-nuptial agreements that cover the economic issues. And have a normal wedding.

Read European news and it will tell how some countries  deal with this! The options for tax dodges are legion so let's not gp there. Agree with Mr. A. Brander.

 

Here is the sentence that underlies this Overture:

"To get around a financial difficulty like that, many couples desire to be married in the eyes of
the church but not in the eyes of the state; they want to separate ecclesiastical marriage from civil marriage."

The CRC form for the solemnization of Marriage in the back of the blue Psalter (now missing in many  CR churches) there is a comment at the end which starts out "According to the laws of the State and the ordinances of the Church..." and assumes that Pastors have the legal standing to marry a man and a woman. There is nothing in form specifically about finances.  So if the Church sticks to the Word of God and marries only a man and a woman it has covered its responsibility. From there on church discipline (or lack thereof) and its ordinances take over. 

The state ever mindful of using its authority puts in place the (100's of pages) laws governing all the financial issues can happen and be considered in a marriage break up. 

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