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We also half to remember science began to florish because of the churches of the time. They had the power and money to kick the reniesance into gear.

Dan,

 We are all broken,sinful and narcissistic. Some Christians know this and are humbled. That group can get along with most anybody. The other group of Christians don't understand this and that is  what leads to intolerance of most idea"s or persons that do not think the same way.  That is the difference. and the reason we don;t get along.

Ken

Hi Gentlemen, I briefly scanned the posts and it felt like we lookoing at faith imduced actions in various ways. First we must remember that the true model of spreading the gospel is most effective when introduced relationaly via loving actions and words. With that in mind is there ideas on how to evagilize the western world. We are very ineffective in slowing the decline in our back yards. We have stop calling names and kill them with a love that is visable as peace and hope not judgment. I thimk if can stop our inner society from  ignoring God's wisdom and start with telling our parishiners that they have God's power. we could affect a greater change. I once picked up a prostitute paid her rate and took her to dinner where I explained that My belief in Jesus affected my thinking. We talked about her life while she she was crying none stop. I took her back to her hotel and said God loves you when your ready to talk to Him. I have know idea if it made a difference. I never saw her again near the stores I frequent. We newed to all take small steps around us like just talking to the old couple that walks by or say hi to bunch of kids even if they look intimidating. You can walk into a gang if you are genuine. Ask them about their tatoo's or where they are from. It is easy because God does the work if you show respect and kindness.

Rev. Albertus Van Raalte came here to escape the persucution. We should avoid the any concept of judgement because that is another form of persucution.

Hi Tim, I really struggle with capca and the new login pass word requirements. It hinders to point off not posting when frustrated. Why do we need the protection? Who wants to hack a site where we talk about God when we can join in any name. It makes no since. Thank You

I always felt like a navel aviator with capcha. It was like after a mission or comment post I still had to land on the carrier(Get passed capcha) before the job wwas done(posted)

Why is this article in Diability section? I don’t see the link disability concerns. No big deal just curious,

Danial,

    I hope you take this the correct way, you are exhibiting wisdom of the Spirit. I know the Spirit well and you my friend are walking with him. I am not a Pentecostal but I look for Spirit in most conversations. Just remember you have to the correct motive for Him to work and you must remain humble. God bless you

Ken

Old thread but after returning to network after continuing illness, captcha and login requirements are more difficult. I really don'tsee the need anymore. What are we protecting ?  I'm not worried about my password because who is going to hack a account when you can join annoymously? What are we protecting other than spam which can be blocked other ways. Thanks

Why are you so upset? God is in control of his church that exists across denominations and out of buildings or insitutions. He does not need my or your help to save his church unless you feel Spirit driven to make these remarks. Change is scary and I agree it can be confusing if we don't keep our eyes looking for His footsteps.

Ken Libolt on December 8, 2011

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Doug,
I don't know you. I just commented on your attitude toward change. Nothing more should be implied.

John,

  It is a magazine cover. It is moot to any issue on the Lord,s supper in most peoples minds. That is why you are not raising  interest with the question.

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