What we have here is a not-so-subtle attempt to "chill" scientific research in an area that the vaccination lobby doesn't like.
If you attempt to discredit Dr Deisher's work because of purported conflict of interest, consider the other conflicts of interest that exist , i.e. Vaccination advocate, Dr Paul Offit earns royalties from Merck for his vaccine; Julie Gerberding formerly positioned at the CDC moved to head Merck's Vaccine division. Financial ties held by CDC and FDA to the Pharmaceutical companies they are making recommendations about.
This is a statement by a doctor:
As a physician for more than 35 years, something has certainly happened that has caused this epidemic of autism and autism spectrum related disorders. My concern is that why would we just not be more aggressive in trying to understand this disorder? It will adversely affect our society in a major way if 1 in 58 boys are continually afflicted. Dr Deisher should be commended in her efforts to evaluate this association of change points and changes in the vaccine schedule.
God is holy and from my reading of the Bible He hates hands that shed innocent blood. That is what happened when babies were aborted and their cells were harvested (live) to make the cell lines MRC 5 and WI 38. Both babies had their blood shed. The DNA of those children are injected into those that receive live virus vaccines like MMR.
We should understand God's wisdom is higher than man's wisdom. We should pray for His wisdom as well. I personally am concerned about these vaccines that have utilized cells in which innocent blood was shed. I am not so sure that good can come from evil. I am fairly convinced that Christians need to be careful in this regard. Biomedicine excludes the issues of the spiritual part of man and this can be dangerous premise. Spiritual illness can cause physical and mental problems.
Actually, if you see my posting of yesterday you will notice that a senior CDC has blown the whistle that the link between MMR and autism was covered up. The lead scientist of the infamous Danish study absconded with over a million dollars. Danish study was found to be totally flawed. Surely, especially Christians, shouldn't be believing CDC liars as well as crooks instead of a commendable scientist who is a pro-life Christian.
Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized. In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident.
This was the case with the link between smoking and lung-cancer and will be the case with vaccines, especially MMR, and autism. Hopefully people wake up to the truth sooner rather than later. Are they going to wait until 1 in 10 or even 1 in 5 has autism before they accept the reality of the link?
Contrary to the vaccine propaganda, the cases and deaths from vaccines had already plummeted to a great extent before vaccines were even introduced. For the last three decades of the use of the small pox vaccine more children were being damaged and killed by the small pox vaccine than were dying from small pox. In the past scarlet fever was a problem causing many deaths. Have you heard of scarlet fever deaths recently? BTW, there is not vaccine for scarlet fever!
As Christians we are told in Romans 12:2 not to confirm to the world. Nowadays some Christians rationalize unbiblical practices such as using aborted babies to make vaccines. Whether the babies were killed yesterday or decades ago, it doesn’t matter to Almighty God and Christians who don’t conform to the world. It is still the shedding of innocent blood. The end doesn’t justify the means.
In reality the vaccinated are more of a problem to the unvaccinated than the other way round. The live vaccines, such as MMR, shed and can infect other people. For example the medical advice given to those that are immune compromised, taking chemo etc., it to not have visitor(s) who have been recently vaccinated with a live virus. They can shed for even a month or so. Another issue is that unlike true immunity from getting the disease, the vaccine effect wanes and the vaccinated person gets the disease and can also infect others. For example recently hockey players who were vaccinated for mumps still got mumps as an adult when it is more serious.
Unfortunately, some who are severely autistic can be violent, such as this article about a mother beaten up by her adult autistic son: http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/12/man-with-autism-beats-mother-we-can-not-remain-silent.html
You mention that within a short time frame the number of cases of autism has shot up from 1 in 10 000 to 1 in 100? Do you know why?
Actually recent scientific clearly demonstrates the link between autism and vaccines, specifically those made using human fetal cells.
This is an abstract that I split into paragraphs to improve readability of the article in Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology: "
The aim of this study was to investigate a previously overlooked, universally introduced environmental factor, fetal and retroviral contaminants in childhood vaccines, absent prior to change points (CPs) in autistic disorder (AD) prevalence with subsequent dose-effect evidence and known pathologic mechanisms of action.
Worldwide population based cohort study was used for the design of this study. The United States, Western Australia, United Kingdom and Denmark settings were used.
All live born infants who later developed autistic disorder delivered after 1 January 1970, whose redacted vaccination and autistic disorder diagnosis information is publicly available in databases maintained by the US Federal Government, Western Australia, UK, and Denmark.
The live births, grouped by father’s age, were from the US and Australia. The children vaccinated with MMRII, Varicella and Hepatitis A vaccines varied from 19 to 35 months of age at the time of vaccination.
Autistic disorder birth year change points were identified as 1980.9, 1988.4 and 1996 for the US, 1987 for UK, 1990.4 for Western Australia, and 1987.5 for Denmark.
Change points in these countries corresponded to introduction of or increased doses of human fetal cell line-manufactured vaccines, while no relationship was found between paternal age or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) revisions and autistic disorder diagnosis.
Further, linear regression revealed that Varicella and Hepatitis A immunization coverage was significantly correlated to autistic disorder cases. R software was used to calculate change points.
Autistic disorder change points years are coincident with introduction of vaccines manufactured using human fetal cell lines, containing fetal and retroviral contaminants, into childhood vaccine regimens.
This pattern was repeated in the US, UK, Western Australia and Denmark. Thus, rising autistic disorder prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells.
Increased paternal age and DSM revisions were not related to rising autistic disorder prevalence. "
What I mean by pointing out that severely autistic individuals can be violent is that this is unacceptable if this is preventable by not using vaccines made from human fetal cells. Isn't it outrageous that parents, not being informed what is actually in the vaccines, are unnecessarily burdened with an autistic child who can later (when older/bigger) be life threatening to his/her own parents?
I personally don't agree with vaccination, i.e. don't believe that Almighty God made a mistake in our design.
However, regarding what the church should do. The church should at least be demanding that there is ALWAYS an alternative to vaccines made from human fetal cells, for Biblical/ethical and health/safety reasons. Currently there is no alternative to the MMR vaccine containing human fetal cells.
This is the link to the article, in the Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology mentioned (above): http://www.soundchoice.org/scpiJournalPubHealthEpidem092014.pdf
Dr. Deisher (author) testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5b9xsGZs1E
Interesting that this statement was made in the article you linked to:
“Until scientists can prove exactly what causes autism, it's difficult to definitively disprove anything.”
Actually there are parallels between current denial of the obvious link between vaccines and autism, and the historical denial of the link between smoking and lung cancer.
- Lung cancer was once a very rare disease, so rare that doctors took special notice when confronted with a case, thinking it a once-in-a-lifetime oddity.
1987 - “Autistic disorder is rare, occurring in fewer than five children per ten thousand births, but with few exceptions (Lovaas). Similarly when a doctor was confronted by a case decades ago, it was regarded as a once-in-a-lifetime oddity.
This is interesting history regarding smoking and lung cancer that is similar to current denial of link between vaccines and autism:
“Cigarettes were recognized as the cause of the (lung cancer) epidemic in the 1940s and 1950s, with the confluence of studies from epidemiology, animal experiments, cellular pathology and chemical analytics. Cigarette manufacturers disputed this evidence, as part of an orchestrated ploy to salvage cigarette sales. Propagandizing the public proved successful, judging from secret tobacco industry measurements of the impact of denialist propaganda. As late as 1960 only one-third of all US doctors believed that the case against cigarettes had been established.”
Dr. Theresa Deisher’s credentials seem far more credible that the blog that you linked to. “Dr. Deisher has focused on discovering and developing new therapies for grievous human illness. Dr. Deisher obtained her PhD in Molecular and Cellular Physiology from Stanford University and has spent over 20 years in commercial biotechnology, working with companies such as Genentech, Repligen, ZymoGenetics, Immunex and Amgen, prior to founding AVM Biotechnology and Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute (SCPI). AVM Biotechnology is the marquee pro-life biotech company worldwide, certifying that it does not use morally illicit material in any process.”
Are you pro-life? Do you think it’s OK to be injecting babies with vaccines made utilizing aborted unborn babies.
Actually the real fraud has been committed by those covering up the link between autism and vaccines, especially MMR (from aborted unborn babies):
Statement by whistle blower Dr. William Thompson, Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, since 1998.
“I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that especially African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.
There have always been recognized risks for vaccination and I believe it is the responsibility of the CDC to properly convey the risks associated with receipt of those vaccines.”
Also the infamous Danish study purporting to deny link between vaccines and autism, has been found to be totally flawed by scientists. Also the lead scientists of the Danish study i.e.: POUL THORSEN, 49, of Denmark, has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of wire fraud and money laundering based on orchestrating a scheme to steal over $1 million in CDC grant money earmarked for autism research.
Those who are denying the link are actually ‘anti-science’, just like those who denied the link between smoking and lung cancer.
We Don't Vaccinate - Myth and Reality of Vaccine Campaigns: https://vimeo.com/126792405 is an excellent documentary regarding the true facts regarding vaccination.
An important consideration for Christians is the fact that vaccines such as the MMR and chicken pox are made utilizing aborted (murdered) unborn babies. Actually scientists have found a link between vaccines made utilizing aborted unborn babies and autism. http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/C98151247042 This is not surprising as autism used to be rare and now it is about 1 in 100 children (and getting worse).
Similar to the link between smoking and lung cancer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOkKNSs2xsQ
Contributing to the tension is the propaganda (fear-mongering) regarding childhood diseases.
Compare the latest hysteria to how measles, for example, was regarded decades ago before mass marketing of the vaccine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDb0ZS3vB9g
I had measles as a child so I am immune for life, compared to temporary immunity from vaccine(s) that wanes. For example recent mumps outbreak amongst vaccinated hockey players. Mumps is more of an issue (for boys) from puberty onwards, therefore it would have been better if they actually had the mumps as boys.
BTW, I wonder what would have been the response/reaction of the pastor if the couple, who were persuaded by the pastor to have their children vaccinated, were to inform him afterwards that their child(ren) had been damaged by the vaccines that the pastor swayed them to get. Did this pastor, you mentioned, consider this possibility?
As someone has said: "We shouldn't be expected to set our children on fire to keep other children warm". As there are risks with every vaccine parents should not be coerced into vaccinating their children.
Where is the love for the vaccine injured children, in the church? Or would they rather deny that it was the vaccine(s) that harmed the child(ren).
No they are not authoritative. However, they do show what the general public feeling was regarding measles, i.e. it was not regarded as a fearsome deadly disease.
Of course Wikipedia could hardly be regarded as authoritative on any subject. It is curious how once they introduce a vaccine then the propaganda starts exaggerating the disease to scare people into vaccinating for a disease that was regarded as benign before vaccination.
Regarding measles cases the Wikipedia you quoted is absolutely false. This graphs shows the reported cases of measles:
Something precious that is lost with mass vaccination is the protection a baby was designed (by God) to receive. When a mother as a child has measles then she has immunity for life and passes on the immunity to her babies. However a vaccinated mother only has temporary immunity and can provide very little if any protection to her children. That is why typically before mass vaccination of childhood diseases mainly elementary school age children are affected. After mass vaccination the most vulnerable tend to be affected, due to inadequate maternal immunity.
In the developing world where children are often severely malnourished a child could die just from a bad cold.
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What we have here is a not-so-subtle attempt to "chill" scientific research in an area that the vaccination lobby doesn't like.
If you attempt to discredit Dr Deisher's work because of purported conflict of interest, consider the other conflicts of interest that exist , i.e. Vaccination advocate, Dr Paul Offit earns royalties from Merck for his vaccine; Julie Gerberding formerly positioned at the CDC moved to head Merck's Vaccine division. Financial ties held by CDC and FDA to the Pharmaceutical companies they are making recommendations about.
This is a statement by a doctor:
Posted in: Including People with Autism in Church Life
Actually, if you see my posting of yesterday you will notice that a senior CDC has blown the whistle that the link between MMR and autism was covered up. The lead scientist of the infamous Danish study absconded with over a million dollars. Danish study was found to be totally flawed. Surely, especially Christians, shouldn't be believing CDC liars as well as crooks instead of a commendable scientist who is a pro-life Christian.
This was the case with the link between smoking and lung-cancer and will be the case with vaccines, especially MMR, and autism. Hopefully people wake up to the truth sooner rather than later. Are they going to wait until 1 in 10 or even 1 in 5 has autism before they accept the reality of the link?
Contrary to the vaccine propaganda, the cases and deaths from vaccines had already plummeted to a great extent before vaccines were even introduced. For the last three decades of the use of the small pox vaccine more children were being damaged and killed by the small pox vaccine than were dying from small pox. In the past scarlet fever was a problem causing many deaths. Have you heard of scarlet fever deaths recently? BTW, there is not vaccine for scarlet fever!
As Christians we are told in Romans 12:2 not to confirm to the world. Nowadays some Christians rationalize unbiblical practices such as using aborted babies to make vaccines. Whether the babies were killed yesterday or decades ago, it doesn’t matter to Almighty God and Christians who don’t conform to the world. It is still the shedding of innocent blood. The end doesn’t justify the means.
In reality the vaccinated are more of a problem to the unvaccinated than the other way round. The live vaccines, such as MMR, shed and can infect other people. For example the medical advice given to those that are immune compromised, taking chemo etc., it to not have visitor(s) who have been recently vaccinated with a live virus. They can shed for even a month or so. Another issue is that unlike true immunity from getting the disease, the vaccine effect wanes and the vaccinated person gets the disease and can also infect others. For example recently hockey players who were vaccinated for mumps still got mumps as an adult when it is more serious.
Posted in: Including People with Autism in Church Life
Unfortunately, some who are severely autistic can be violent, such as this article about a mother beaten up by her adult autistic son: http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/12/man-with-autism-beats-mother-we-can-not-remain-silent.html
You mention that within a short time frame the number of cases of autism has shot up from 1 in 10 000 to 1 in 100? Do you know why?
Posted in: Including People with Autism in Church Life
Actually recent scientific clearly demonstrates the link between autism and vaccines, specifically those made using human fetal cells.
This is an abstract that I split into paragraphs to improve readability of the article in Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology:
"
The aim of this study was to investigate a previously overlooked, universally introduced environmental factor, fetal and retroviral contaminants in childhood vaccines, absent prior to change points (CPs) in autistic disorder (AD) prevalence with subsequent dose-effect evidence and known pathologic mechanisms of action.
Worldwide population based cohort study was used for the design of this study. The United States, Western Australia, United Kingdom and Denmark settings were used.
All live born infants who later developed autistic disorder delivered after 1 January 1970, whose redacted vaccination and autistic disorder diagnosis information is publicly available in databases maintained by the US Federal Government, Western Australia, UK, and Denmark.
The live births, grouped by father’s age, were from the US and Australia. The children vaccinated with MMRII, Varicella and Hepatitis A vaccines varied from 19 to 35 months of age at the time of vaccination.
Autistic disorder birth year change points were identified as 1980.9, 1988.4 and 1996 for the US, 1987 for UK, 1990.4 for Western Australia, and 1987.5 for Denmark.
Change points in these countries corresponded to introduction of or increased doses of human fetal cell line-manufactured vaccines, while no relationship was found between paternal age or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) revisions and autistic disorder diagnosis.
Further, linear regression revealed that Varicella and Hepatitis A immunization coverage was significantly correlated to autistic disorder cases. R software was used to calculate change points.
Autistic disorder change points years are coincident with introduction of vaccines manufactured using human fetal cell lines, containing fetal and retroviral contaminants, into childhood vaccine regimens.
This pattern was repeated in the US, UK, Western Australia and Denmark. Thus, rising autistic disorder prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells.
Increased paternal age and DSM revisions were not related to rising autistic disorder prevalence.
"
What I mean by pointing out that severely autistic individuals can be violent is that this is unacceptable if this is preventable by not using vaccines made from human fetal cells. Isn't it outrageous that parents, not being informed what is actually in the vaccines, are unnecessarily burdened with an autistic child who can later (when older/bigger) be life threatening to his/her own parents?
I personally don't agree with vaccination, i.e. don't believe that Almighty God made a mistake in our design.
However, regarding what the church should do. The church should at least be demanding that there is ALWAYS an alternative to vaccines made from human fetal cells, for Biblical/ethical and health/safety reasons. Currently there is no alternative to the MMR vaccine containing human fetal cells.
Posted in: Including People with Autism in Church Life
This is the link to the article, in the Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology mentioned (above): http://www.soundchoice.org/scpiJournalPubHealthEpidem092014.pdf
Dr. Deisher (author) testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5b9xsGZs1E
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This is a summary of the scientific findings: http://soundchoice.s3.amazonaws.com/soundchoice/wp-content/uploads/SCPI-AJournal-Sum-2pg012715.pdf
Second page lists all vaccines made using human fetal cells and alternative(s), if any. Some vaccines don't have any alternatives.
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Interesting that this statement was made in the article you linked to:
“Until scientists can prove exactly what causes autism, it's difficult to definitively disprove anything.”
Actually there are parallels between current denial of the obvious link between vaccines and autism, and the historical denial of the link between smoking and lung cancer.
- Lung cancer was once a very rare disease, so rare that doctors took special notice when confronted with a case, thinking it a once-in-a-lifetime oddity.
1987 - “Autistic disorder is rare, occurring in fewer than five children per ten thousand births, but with few exceptions (Lovaas). Similarly when a doctor was confronted by a case decades ago, it was regarded as a once-in-a-lifetime oddity.
This is interesting history regarding smoking and lung cancer that is similar to current denial of link between vaccines and autism:
“Cigarettes were recognized as the cause of the (lung cancer) epidemic in the 1940s and 1950s, with the confluence of studies from epidemiology, animal experiments, cellular pathology and chemical analytics. Cigarette manufacturers disputed this evidence, as part of an orchestrated ploy to salvage cigarette sales. Propagandizing the public proved successful, judging from secret tobacco industry measurements of the impact of denialist propaganda. As late as 1960 only one-third of all US doctors believed that the case against cigarettes had been established.”
Dr. Theresa Deisher’s credentials seem far more credible that the blog that you linked to. “Dr. Deisher has focused on discovering and developing new therapies for grievous human illness. Dr. Deisher obtained her PhD in Molecular and Cellular Physiology from Stanford University and has spent over 20 years in commercial biotechnology, working with companies such as Genentech, Repligen, ZymoGenetics, Immunex and Amgen, prior to founding AVM Biotechnology and Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute (SCPI). AVM Biotechnology is the marquee pro-life biotech company worldwide, certifying that it does not use morally illicit material in any process.”
Are you pro-life? Do you think it’s OK to be injecting babies with vaccines made utilizing aborted unborn babies.
Posted in: Including People with Autism in Church Life
Actually the real fraud has been committed by those covering up the link between autism and vaccines, especially MMR (from aborted unborn babies):
Statement by whistle blower Dr. William Thompson, Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, since 1998.
“I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that especially African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.
There have always been recognized risks for vaccination and I believe it is the responsibility of the CDC to properly convey the risks associated with receipt of those vaccines.”
Also the infamous Danish study purporting to deny link between vaccines and autism, has been found to be totally flawed by scientists. Also the lead scientists of the Danish study i.e.: POUL THORSEN, 49, of Denmark, has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of wire fraud and money laundering based on orchestrating a scheme to steal over $1 million in CDC grant money earmarked for autism research.
Those who are denying the link are actually ‘anti-science’, just like those who denied the link between smoking and lung cancer.
Posted in: Tensions in Church Over Vaccinations
We Don't Vaccinate - Myth and Reality of Vaccine Campaigns: https://vimeo.com/126792405 is an excellent documentary regarding the true facts regarding vaccination.
An important consideration for Christians is the fact that vaccines such as the MMR and chicken pox are made utilizing aborted (murdered) unborn babies. Actually scientists have found a link between vaccines made utilizing aborted unborn babies and autism. http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/C98151247042 This is not surprising as autism used to be rare and now it is about 1 in 100 children (and getting worse).
Similar to the link between smoking and lung cancer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOkKNSs2xsQ
Posted in: Tensions in Church Over Vaccinations
Contributing to the tension is the propaganda (fear-mongering) regarding childhood diseases.
Compare the latest hysteria to how measles, for example, was regarded decades ago before mass marketing of the vaccine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDb0ZS3vB9g
I had measles as a child so I am immune for life, compared to temporary immunity from vaccine(s) that wanes. For example recent mumps outbreak amongst vaccinated hockey players. Mumps is more of an issue (for boys) from puberty onwards, therefore it would have been better if they actually had the mumps as boys.
Posted in: Tensions in Church Over Vaccinations
BTW, I wonder what would have been the response/reaction of the pastor if the couple, who were persuaded by the pastor to have their children vaccinated, were to inform him afterwards that their child(ren) had been damaged by the vaccines that the pastor swayed them to get. Did this pastor, you mentioned, consider this possibility?
As someone has said: "We shouldn't be expected to set our children on fire to keep other children warm". As there are risks with every vaccine parents should not be coerced into vaccinating their children.
Where is the love for the vaccine injured children, in the church? Or would they rather deny that it was the vaccine(s) that harmed the child(ren).
Posted in: Tensions in Church Over Vaccinations
No they are not authoritative. However, they do show what the general public feeling was regarding measles, i.e. it was not regarded as a fearsome deadly disease.
Of course Wikipedia could hardly be regarded as authoritative on any subject. It is curious how once they introduce a vaccine then the propaganda starts exaggerating the disease to scare people into vaccinating for a disease that was regarded as benign before vaccination.
Regarding measles cases the Wikipedia you quoted is absolutely false. This graphs shows the reported cases of measles:
http://media.historyofvaccines.org/images/999991_540.jpg
This graph shows the US measles deaths which were negligible by the time the vaccine was introduced.
http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/images/stories/graphs/us-measles.jpg
Something precious that is lost with mass vaccination is the protection a baby was designed (by God) to receive. When a mother as a child has measles then she has immunity for life and passes on the immunity to her babies. However a vaccinated mother only has temporary immunity and can provide very little if any protection to her children. That is why typically before mass vaccination of childhood diseases mainly elementary school age children are affected. After mass vaccination the most vulnerable tend to be affected, due to inadequate maternal immunity.
In the developing world where children are often severely malnourished a child could die just from a bad cold.