My question relates to when an organized congregation should consider moving from "organized" to "emerging" status, and whether there are advantages to be an "emerging" church as opposed to an "organized" church. Do you have any thoughts?
Thank you for sharing. I am so sorry for your loss. I see that you miss your daughter very much, and I pray God will comfort you and guard your heart in Christ Jesus with His daily, hourly, moment by moment peace.
"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever." (Revelation 11:15)
This verse gives me hope because it reminds me that no matter what we face in this world, Jesus Christ reigns now and forever. I know that this world, my life, and the lives of those around me are held firmly in His hand. Therefore I enter 2017 (a year of unknowns) with absolute confidence in Him.
Thank you for your comments, Larry and for sharing the anecdotal story.
However, my question goes a little deeper than simply the logistics of hosting a weekly worship gathering. I asked if there are those who have "intentionally" chosen not to have a building. The intention is to focus ministry energy in the community in a more expeditionary manner. The intention is to purposely find a kingdom partner in the community with whom the church can serve in exchange for meeting space when it is needed. The service would be to incorporate the people from the community organization into the worship gathering. For example, here in ABQ we have a number of special needs folks who worship with us each week. I wonder if we chose to focus our ministry and even worship gatherings to serve that population's needs; meeting in their space. Then also using their facility for space to develop disciples within the serving congregation as well as the population served.
The intention is to be wholly "organic"; a living body integrated fully into our community.
I am not sure this model of ministry will work everywhere, and I am not even certain this is the model that everyone should follow. I only wonder what it might look like for those who have been called to intentionally partner in this manner with their local community?
Thanks again, and I invite any further comments you may have.
p.s. I am almost certain that this model will require the "pastor" to find bivocational employment.
Thank you Ken. You definitely offer a lot of "food" for thought. My assumption would be not to meet in people's homes, but in a facility owned by someone in the community with whom we can build a ministry partnership.
My biggest concern is that the building can be seen as a "safe" place for the congregation, but viewed as a "members only" club by folks in the community. If we are to be seen as missional, and connected to the community, I think we offer some level of vulnerability by being willing to meet in another's "space".
In my humble opinion, "church" is not primarily about a worship gathering or a Bible study, but rather the people serving the community, being Christ's hands, feet, ears, heart, and at times His voice. In order for that to happen we need to be intentional about engaging our community.
Thanks for the corrective, Josh. If people are using the older brother in the way that you describe, I wholeheartedly agree they should stop. However, recent developments of which I am aware, based on the book The Prodigal God by Timothy Keller, cite the older brother as Jesus' target because of Luke 15:1-2, "Now the tax collectors and 'sinners' were all gathering around to hear him. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, 'This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.'" Jesus' target is the Pharisees and teachers of the law, who have misunderstood God's love and desire to reach the lost. In light of it, as elder brothers (those like me who were raised in the church, etc.) we are called to join God in His reckless, prodigal love for sinners and the lost. This is how I have understood the use of the elder brother, have you heard that before?
Thanks Allen. You took the words right out of my mouth. So confirming to know you remain a good friend and kindred soul on this kingdom journey. May God bless you and keep you and use you to advance His kingdom in your new home.
Hi Allen. Thank you for the reminder. This offers good encouragement and validation for what we are trying to do at Chelwood. I used to feel the same way about "saving souls" until I read John Ortberg's new book Soul Keeping. In that book, Ortberg shares Dallas Willard's definition of the soul. Willard says the soul is the will, mind, and body together, so that in order to care for our soul and the souls of others we must be concerned about all aspects. It involves the will (or personal choices), the mind (in every respect that implies), and the body (our physical condition matters for the care of our soul). I think that is a great way to think of the soul, and gets us out of thinking of a "soul" as our state in heaven after we die. What do you think?
PastorCase I understand your objection, and I believe the analogy certainly falls apart if we think that CRWM missionaries are dependent on the good graces of the agency to continue in their kingdom work. Nothing could be farther from the truth! I think it is important for us to realize that missions is not now nor has it ever been the work of a few apart from the body of Christ. In fact, the support of churches (prayer, financial, emotional, spiritual, etc.) is of utmost importance and remains the gold standard even in the new support model. Please allow me to explain.
Our hope is that more churches would join in helping our missionaries raise the support they need. We see how it is difficult for missionaries to focus on both fundraising and ministry. Therefore, we encourage missionaries to develop teams in North America (members from supporting churches, etc.) who can assist in telling the stories and raising support. In no way should the 90% model be seen as the agency abandoning its missionaries. If that happens, then shame on us (agency and church)! I think what it does is sound the alarm to let the church know that its decisions regarding paying ministry shares, working to adopt missionaries to support, etc. have consequences. I believe that if the need is properly communicated, as well as the vision for what God is doing in the world, the church can meet the need. The resources are there, we just need to reconnect the church to the work being done. We believe the 90% model will work best to re-establish that connection.
As for the question about North American staff raising their own support, I am sure you can see how that might be difficult. The stories they tell will not likely be as compelling as the work of frontline missionaries. So please continue to share your stories, and we will do our best to share them as well, so that God might be glorified, the church of Jesus Christ edified, and His will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Thank you again for your good kingdom work! We really appreciate you.
Thank you Case. We are not sure what will happen at this point either. The impetus is on us to make this thing work. We need to remember that we are all in this together and work to see God's kingdom advance as we each play our particular part in the one mission of God. Again we very much appreciate you and pray God's blessing on you, your family, and the ministry to which He has called you. Thanks again for your partnership in the gospel over many years.
Posted in: Rightsizing Smaller Congregations
My question relates to when an organized congregation should consider moving from "organized" to "emerging" status, and whether there are advantages to be an "emerging" church as opposed to an "organized" church. Do you have any thoughts?
Posted in: Rightsizing Smaller Congregations
Thank you Keith. I appreciate your perspective, and am grateful for your shared experience. We will keep it in mind. Blessings!
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Thank you for sharing. I am so sorry for your loss. I see that you miss your daughter very much, and I pray God will comfort you and guard your heart in Christ Jesus with His daily, hourly, moment by moment peace.
Posted in: What Bible Verse Gives You Hope for 2017?
"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever." (Revelation 11:15)
This verse gives me hope because it reminds me that no matter what we face in this world, Jesus Christ reigns now and forever. I know that this world, my life, and the lives of those around me are held firmly in His hand. Therefore I enter 2017 (a year of unknowns) with absolute confidence in Him.
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Thank you Kevin. I really appreciate your take on this subject, and look forward to reading subsequent editions.
I am also moved by Alan Hirsch's comment, "It is not that the church has a mission, but rather that the mission of God has a church."
Posted in: Organic Church
Thank you for your comments, Larry and for sharing the anecdotal story.
However, my question goes a little deeper than simply the logistics of hosting a weekly worship gathering. I asked if there are those who have "intentionally" chosen not to have a building. The intention is to focus ministry energy in the community in a more expeditionary manner. The intention is to purposely find a kingdom partner in the community with whom the church can serve in exchange for meeting space when it is needed. The service would be to incorporate the people from the community organization into the worship gathering. For example, here in ABQ we have a number of special needs folks who worship with us each week. I wonder if we chose to focus our ministry and even worship gatherings to serve that population's needs; meeting in their space. Then also using their facility for space to develop disciples within the serving congregation as well as the population served.
The intention is to be wholly "organic"; a living body integrated fully into our community.
I am not sure this model of ministry will work everywhere, and I am not even certain this is the model that everyone should follow. I only wonder what it might look like for those who have been called to intentionally partner in this manner with their local community?
Thanks again, and I invite any further comments you may have.
p.s. I am almost certain that this model will require the "pastor" to find bivocational employment.
Posted in: Organic Church
Thank you Ken. You definitely offer a lot of "food" for thought. My assumption would be not to meet in people's homes, but in a facility owned by someone in the community with whom we can build a ministry partnership.
My biggest concern is that the building can be seen as a "safe" place for the congregation, but viewed as a "members only" club by folks in the community. If we are to be seen as missional, and connected to the community, I think we offer some level of vulnerability by being willing to meet in another's "space".
In my humble opinion, "church" is not primarily about a worship gathering or a Bible study, but rather the people serving the community, being Christ's hands, feet, ears, heart, and at times His voice. In order for that to happen we need to be intentional about engaging our community.
Posted in: Please Stop It with the Older Brother
Thanks for the corrective, Josh. If people are using the older brother in the way that you describe, I wholeheartedly agree they should stop. However, recent developments of which I am aware, based on the book The Prodigal God by Timothy Keller, cite the older brother as Jesus' target because of Luke 15:1-2, "Now the tax collectors and 'sinners' were all gathering around to hear him. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, 'This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.'" Jesus' target is the Pharisees and teachers of the law, who have misunderstood God's love and desire to reach the lost. In light of it, as elder brothers (those like me who were raised in the church, etc.) we are called to join God in His reckless, prodigal love for sinners and the lost. This is how I have understood the use of the elder brother, have you heard that before?
Posted in: Ministry of Place Pt. 2: Living in "Place"
Thanks Allen. You took the words right out of my mouth. So confirming to know you remain a good friend and kindred soul on this kingdom journey. May God bless you and keep you and use you to advance His kingdom in your new home.
Posted in: Living the Kingdom
Hi Allen. Thank you for the reminder. This offers good encouragement and validation for what we are trying to do at Chelwood. I used to feel the same way about "saving souls" until I read John Ortberg's new book Soul Keeping. In that book, Ortberg shares Dallas Willard's definition of the soul. Willard says the soul is the will, mind, and body together, so that in order to care for our soul and the souls of others we must be concerned about all aspects. It involves the will (or personal choices), the mind (in every respect that implies), and the body (our physical condition matters for the care of our soul). I think that is a great way to think of the soul, and gets us out of thinking of a "soul" as our state in heaven after we die. What do you think?
Posted in: Downton Abbey and World Missions
PastorCase I understand your objection, and I believe the analogy certainly falls apart if we think that CRWM missionaries are dependent on the good graces of the agency to continue in their kingdom work. Nothing could be farther from the truth! I think it is important for us to realize that missions is not now nor has it ever been the work of a few apart from the body of Christ. In fact, the support of churches (prayer, financial, emotional, spiritual, etc.) is of utmost importance and remains the gold standard even in the new support model. Please allow me to explain.
Our hope is that more churches would join in helping our missionaries raise the support they need. We see how it is difficult for missionaries to focus on both fundraising and ministry. Therefore, we encourage missionaries to develop teams in North America (members from supporting churches, etc.) who can assist in telling the stories and raising support. In no way should the 90% model be seen as the agency abandoning its missionaries. If that happens, then shame on us (agency and church)! I think what it does is sound the alarm to let the church know that its decisions regarding paying ministry shares, working to adopt missionaries to support, etc. have consequences. I believe that if the need is properly communicated, as well as the vision for what God is doing in the world, the church can meet the need. The resources are there, we just need to reconnect the church to the work being done. We believe the 90% model will work best to re-establish that connection.
As for the question about North American staff raising their own support, I am sure you can see how that might be difficult. The stories they tell will not likely be as compelling as the work of frontline missionaries. So please continue to share your stories, and we will do our best to share them as well, so that God might be glorified, the church of Jesus Christ edified, and His will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Thank you again for your good kingdom work! We really appreciate you.
Posted in: Downton Abbey and World Missions
Thank you Case. We are not sure what will happen at this point either. The impetus is on us to make this thing work. We need to remember that we are all in this together and work to see God's kingdom advance as we each play our particular part in the one mission of God. Again we very much appreciate you and pray God's blessing on you, your family, and the ministry to which He has called you. Thanks again for your partnership in the gospel over many years.