Viviana, that was a well thought out and researched paper. Due to limited space in an article you could not write about all of the various treatments towards First Nations, Metis, Inuit, Native American and other Indigenous people. I would like to make two small observations as a First Nation Cree.
1. The 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s were a period in Canada where young children were kidnaped in front of the parents faces and sent off to adoption agencies - where the demand for babies was very high in the large urban ares like Toronto (Sixties Scoops). Women who's child was part Indigenous typically had their new born child taken from them at the hospitals and then made to stand in front of a judge and made to say they were unfit to be a parent.
2. Native American is a term for Indigenous Peoples living in the USA, Whereas in Canada we recognize the various group titles, such as First Nation (Cree, Mohawk, Algonquin, and many many other First Nation People. Metis is also a term used to recognize people who have one half European and the Other have Indigenous, Inuit are a special Peoples in the Arctic, and then Indigenous Peoples to recognize the balance of First Nation People who may not know their ancestry.
As someone who is 61 years old I recently learned of my heritage from my mother, my biological mother only 10 years ago. I met her, but my biological Father has died before I could meet him. Her deep Love to have me taken into custody for adoption in 1960 was the greatest act of Love a woman could do for their child. But she wanted to keep me, but the nurses and social workers convinced her otherwise - I doubt she would have had a choice.
In the end God found me a wonderful Family who treated me as if I was their biological son. Sadly they were never informed of my heritage - they would have found a way to incorporate both the Cree traditions and the Christian Faith.
One piece of Native American and First Nations that you missed - or not. Is the pain and suffering that Buffalo Soldiers did to the Native American resettlements. Buffalo soldiers also participated in the murders and starvation and other atrocities as White Soldiers. This is why Indigenous Peoples on both sides of the border do not trust BLM - Black Lives Matter, because when we say all lives matter BLM is quick to brush Indigenous people off. And when people use the term BIOPIC - we see it as another insult.
Well Done with your article! We need more discussions of healing.
In the 1970s a young family like our family, 3 kids, Mom and Dad, came to the church regularly, only their son - I'll call him "Paul" who was my age (at the time we 13-15), had Down Syndrome. Yes, many people shied away from Paul and his family, but my Dad and Paul's Dad knew each other and so Paul learned my Dad's first name. One day just as the Service ended and people were getting up to leave, and to talk with one another, from the back of the Church boomed Paul's voice to my Dad "Hi Jimmy!" you could hear the needle float through the air before it hit the floor the church was that quiet and nervous and aghast! A teenager calling an adult by their first name was OUTRAGEOUS! But what people were really waiting for was how my Father would react... They didn't have to wait long, my Dad boomed back "Hi Paul good to hear you!" Later that day I asked my Dad, why did you say hi back to Paul - ONLY Grandma can call you Jimmy NO ONE ELSE let alone a teenager! His response has stayed with me all my life (I'm 62 now), "I responded to Paul just like Jesus would to a friend, to a special friend. Jesus would recognize him and let people know that everyone has a friend in Jesus" It has taken years for me to put the pieces of the puzzle together, but I have learned, one of my Dad's favourite songs, hymns is "What a Friend We Have in Jesus"
Tom this was a well-written article that I hope all CRCNA members and most importantly the Executive Boards of our Church embrace - especially #2 reaching out to youth in their way of learning. It is very important for a Congregation to continue to exist if it engages and connects with our youth. If you do not connect with our Youth, your church will die within 1-2 generations. I have seen this happening to many empty churches across Canada.
The other point I'd like to discuss is item #3. Create Small Group Opportunities - We tried this at our Church and at first it was somewhat successful, but in the end, it was a disaster and was one of many reasons our church crumbled and the doors were closed forever. There are many reasons, but the predominate one was the "superpowers" that some felt they gained by hosting or leading the small group, "The Saviour Complex" and this begins to break down the small group and then gossip and name calling and all sorts of negative impacts begin to appear. Have we ever heard "Well it sounded like a great idea at the time..." My advice to Pastors and leaders in the church who are thinking about creating these groups - be very mindful of what is happening in the small groups, watch and listen for signs of the Saviour Complex and then put an end to the small groups for a while and then come back to them later if the congregation is in agreement.
Can the author of this article point me to court documents, where Brian Houston, or Carl Lenz where found guilty of any charges - except a DUI charge? Did the authors and others rely on "Documentaries". Have the writers of the songs, or have the singers of the songs been found guilty of crimes? No, then why are we casting stones? Why are we relying on Documentaries as opposed to actual facts to lead us in our decision-making on the music, the worship music? Yes, there is an accusation against Brian Houston's father - not Brian but his father.
The music, created and performed by the band is incredible. They bring the new generations 13-25 closer to God and they also touch the souls of many grey-haired generation people 55+ years old and older.
So what if Carl Lenz and Brian Houston have made millions of dollars in this crazy world, congratulations if that was what they were aiming for and have achieved. So has Bono and band mates of U2.
As 1000s of churches of all denominations are being forced to close their doors because they did not adapt to the world around them, that includes worship music that engaged our youth, let CRC not be one of them.
This does not mean we can not have some of the old and beautiful psalms and hymns from the 1500-1800s, no, rather incorporate both the old and the new songs into our worship!
Remember Jesus was considered "an outsider, a rebel, an oddball" and many other adjectives in His Ministry, and all of His Apostles were also classified as threats to society and were hunted down for their beliefs and sermons! Can you imagine what type of Documentary would have been conducted in those days!!
So sing like no one is listening, dance as if no one is watching to songs that praise our Lord and Saviour!
I Surrender, Mighty to Save, Broken Vessels, Jesus I need You, Don't forget Morning has Broken either the original or Cat Stevens version :-)
Sincerely
Jeffrey Thomson
Waterloo, Ontario
Just some of the songs this 62 year old enjoys singing.
Royalties - this is a topic that many people are not familiar with, as it is a complex system of payment to the Music Company and the Artist that wrote the song's lyrics, and the Artist that created the music, and the producers, directors, and anyone involved in the creation of the song.
"The royalties question is a real one" it is a real question that should not be overlooked. It is part of the "Business side of the Church". Having worked in the music industry back in the 1990s, managing the systems that controlled the royalties. Royalties were considered a very real problem for many artists, popular or just starting out. In 1993 it was estimated that over 10 Billion $US in unpaid royalties were owed to 1000s of artists, including very large names! The late David Bowie was owed an undisputed amount of $35 million in unpaid royalties, with another $50-75 Million unaccounted for. I can not imagine the valuation of unpaid and lost Royalties today! The music industry is "cutthroat" and will prosecute those who do not pay the royalties that the music company "deems they are due from you and CRC". CRC is not off the hook either as the lawyers know who has the deeper pockets. So if you are a congregation that decides not to pay the royalties, then do NOT play the music - for you are stealing from whatever artist you are singing to as part of your worship. Cheating is just another word for stealing - Remember the words in Leviticus;
Leviticus 19:11-13 King James Version (KJV)
"Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another..."
Should your church decides to not pay but continue to play then your stewards need to be asked - have we paid our royalties?
CRC would be wise, to conduct an informal audit - before the Music Industry comes singing their song of Pay the Piper! Worship Music has grown dramatically since the 1990s and the industry has not missed the sales of sheet music, album sales, and the use of Youtube - yes if you use Youtube videos for your worship, you have to pay for that use as well - each time.
In closing do not be afraid to play whatever your congregation and church decide, just remember to be honest about what you are doing.
I have been praying over responding to your post to make sure I do not cause any trauma or revisit any issues you had and have.
First, I am truly sorry to hear that you suffered and still suffer at the hands of another. I know the feeling of having been physically abused by an uncle when I was a child. I can not know your personal suffering as that is personal to the victims.
I do understand, that those who have suffered trauma(s) of any sort, will have triggers that will bring back those horrible days. I am sad to hear that it is music that is a trigger for you, specifically certain music.
I am happy to hear that you are still worshipping and trusting in God. I have no solution to offer when those songs or triggers occur, but I do hope that your congregation can find a solution to help you as well as maintain a safe and understanding environment for you and others who may also be suffering. Maybe the worship team can mix up the song lists each week.
I didn't want to leave your courageous post to go unanswered, to make you feel isolated. You are not alone Erin.
A little late to the table Michael, so my apologies. You may have already received directions, but if not may I offer a small suggestion. Before offering my suggestion, please note that I am not a lawyer, nor do I know the Privacy Laws of the State of Michigan. I do however have a background in advising Financial Institutions in Canada on the safe storage and retention of records, both financial and non-financial. With that said, please note, that every State, and Province as well as Federal laws and regulations regarding Privacy have changed over the years (50 years have seen a lot of change on this subject). I would strongly urge you and the Camp and sponsors of the Camp to seek out guidance from Privacy and Retention Experts in your State and Federally as well. Should you have had children or staff from Canada or other countries, you may find that their laws may impact what you can do with these documents as well.
This can be extremely expensive, to say the least. Thus a "simpler" suggestion is to digitalize the documents and place those digitalized records (minimum of three copies), at a recognized Retention Company - such as Safeguard, Mountain Storage or any Government recommended company. 3 copies, 2 would go to the company that you choose, but to be stored at different locations, for disaster recovery protection, and the 3rd at your organization or bank vault with very strong protection software to ensure prying eyes can not access the files. While the initial costs are high, the peace of mind is priceless. Many of these companies can do both the imaging and the storage and save you some money in the process.
You may be wondering why ALL of the records, can't we just pick a random cutoff date; say 25 years, 10 years, or 7 years? Not with some of today's Privacy laws and laws on Civil Action - legal suits. Let's say that you had a staff member who was documented for having assaulted a child back in the 1970's. Depending on the State of where that child was from, they could request and obtain those records, and if you have intentionally destroyed the records because you pick the wrong cutoff date, you could be liable even if you did not intend to.
At one financial company, in Canada, we were required to maintain all records of clients who were under the age of 110 years old - Life Insurance policies.
Going forward, remember to update the capture and storage of the new records with the old records.
Again, this suggestion is offered freely and should not be deemed as legal advice, that can only come from authorized and notarized professional members of your State or Federal Legal Regulators. If you do have some questions I am happy to assist under those conditions.
Rivals and Pilgrimages are common in many religions. What the youth at Asbury did was what happens in other religions and other cultures on a regular basis around the world. That it happened, is wonderful, and powerful, and is a statement to each attendee's own spiritual point in their lives today. Some attendees may have participated purely for themselves, others to be part of something, and others to be with friends on a journey. Regardless of their reason for participation, they should not be criticized. How it was "organized" or started is not relevant in today's mass media, instant communication technological world. Just accept that people gathered to worship for several days.
If you have ever visited Lourdes France during one of the festive weekends, you will be amazed and spiritually uplifted during the evening processions with 300,000+ other worshippers, young and old, from far and wide.
What happened in Asbury was a moment of spiritual outpouring, embrace it, love it, and preach the spirit any way you can!
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Viviana, that was a well thought out and researched paper. Due to limited space in an article you could not write about all of the various treatments towards First Nations, Metis, Inuit, Native American and other Indigenous people. I would like to make two small observations as a First Nation Cree.
1. The 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s were a period in Canada where young children were kidnaped in front of the parents faces and sent off to adoption agencies - where the demand for babies was very high in the large urban ares like Toronto (Sixties Scoops). Women who's child was part Indigenous typically had their new born child taken from them at the hospitals and then made to stand in front of a judge and made to say they were unfit to be a parent.
2. Native American is a term for Indigenous Peoples living in the USA, Whereas in Canada we recognize the various group titles, such as First Nation (Cree, Mohawk, Algonquin, and many many other First Nation People. Metis is also a term used to recognize people who have one half European and the Other have Indigenous, Inuit are a special Peoples in the Arctic, and then Indigenous Peoples to recognize the balance of First Nation People who may not know their ancestry.
As someone who is 61 years old I recently learned of my heritage from my mother, my biological mother only 10 years ago. I met her, but my biological Father has died before I could meet him. Her deep Love to have me taken into custody for adoption in 1960 was the greatest act of Love a woman could do for their child. But she wanted to keep me, but the nurses and social workers convinced her otherwise - I doubt she would have had a choice.
In the end God found me a wonderful Family who treated me as if I was their biological son. Sadly they were never informed of my heritage - they would have found a way to incorporate both the Cree traditions and the Christian Faith.
One piece of Native American and First Nations that you missed - or not. Is the pain and suffering that Buffalo Soldiers did to the Native American resettlements. Buffalo soldiers also participated in the murders and starvation and other atrocities as White Soldiers. This is why Indigenous Peoples on both sides of the border do not trust BLM - Black Lives Matter, because when we say all lives matter BLM is quick to brush Indigenous people off. And when people use the term BIOPIC - we see it as another insult.
Well Done with your article! We need more discussions of healing.
Posted in: History Impacts Everyone’s Reality
you are welcome and I look forward to sharing more to our community who are open to learning and making positive changes.
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In the 1970s a young family like our family, 3 kids, Mom and Dad, came to the church regularly, only their son - I'll call him "Paul" who was my age (at the time we 13-15), had Down Syndrome. Yes, many people shied away from Paul and his family, but my Dad and Paul's Dad knew each other and so Paul learned my Dad's first name. One day just as the Service ended and people were getting up to leave, and to talk with one another, from the back of the Church boomed Paul's voice to my Dad "Hi Jimmy!" you could hear the needle float through the air before it hit the floor the church was that quiet and nervous and aghast! A teenager calling an adult by their first name was OUTRAGEOUS! But what people were really waiting for was how my Father would react... They didn't have to wait long, my Dad boomed back "Hi Paul good to hear you!" Later that day I asked my Dad, why did you say hi back to Paul - ONLY Grandma can call you Jimmy NO ONE ELSE let alone a teenager! His response has stayed with me all my life (I'm 62 now), "I responded to Paul just like Jesus would to a friend, to a special friend. Jesus would recognize him and let people know that everyone has a friend in Jesus" It has taken years for me to put the pieces of the puzzle together, but I have learned, one of my Dad's favourite songs, hymns is "What a Friend We Have in Jesus"
Jeffrey Thomson
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Tom this was a well-written article that I hope all CRCNA members and most importantly the Executive Boards of our Church embrace - especially #2 reaching out to youth in their way of learning. It is very important for a Congregation to continue to exist if it engages and connects with our youth. If you do not connect with our Youth, your church will die within 1-2 generations. I have seen this happening to many empty churches across Canada.
The other point I'd like to discuss is item #3. Create Small Group Opportunities - We tried this at our Church and at first it was somewhat successful, but in the end, it was a disaster and was one of many reasons our church crumbled and the doors were closed forever. There are many reasons, but the predominate one was the "superpowers" that some felt they gained by hosting or leading the small group, "The Saviour Complex" and this begins to break down the small group and then gossip and name calling and all sorts of negative impacts begin to appear. Have we ever heard "Well it sounded like a great idea at the time..." My advice to Pastors and leaders in the church who are thinking about creating these groups - be very mindful of what is happening in the small groups, watch and listen for signs of the Saviour Complex and then put an end to the small groups for a while and then come back to them later if the congregation is in agreement.
Thank you for a open and encouraging article!
Jeffrey Thomson
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Can the author of this article point me to court documents, where Brian Houston, or Carl Lenz where found guilty of any charges - except a DUI charge? Did the authors and others rely on "Documentaries". Have the writers of the songs, or have the singers of the songs been found guilty of crimes? No, then why are we casting stones? Why are we relying on Documentaries as opposed to actual facts to lead us in our decision-making on the music, the worship music? Yes, there is an accusation against Brian Houston's father - not Brian but his father.
The music, created and performed by the band is incredible. They bring the new generations 13-25 closer to God and they also touch the souls of many grey-haired generation people 55+ years old and older.
So what if Carl Lenz and Brian Houston have made millions of dollars in this crazy world, congratulations if that was what they were aiming for and have achieved. So has Bono and band mates of U2.
As 1000s of churches of all denominations are being forced to close their doors because they did not adapt to the world around them, that includes worship music that engaged our youth, let CRC not be one of them.
This does not mean we can not have some of the old and beautiful psalms and hymns from the 1500-1800s, no, rather incorporate both the old and the new songs into our worship!
Remember Jesus was considered "an outsider, a rebel, an oddball" and many other adjectives in His Ministry, and all of His Apostles were also classified as threats to society and were hunted down for their beliefs and sermons! Can you imagine what type of Documentary would have been conducted in those days!!
So sing like no one is listening, dance as if no one is watching to songs that praise our Lord and Saviour!
I Surrender, Mighty to Save, Broken Vessels, Jesus I need You, Don't forget Morning has Broken either the original or Cat Stevens version :-)
Sincerely
Jeffrey Thomson
Waterloo, Ontario
Just some of the songs this 62 year old enjoys singing.
Posted in: Should My Church Sing Hillsong?
Royalties - this is a topic that many people are not familiar with, as it is a complex system of payment to the Music Company and the Artist that wrote the song's lyrics, and the Artist that created the music, and the producers, directors, and anyone involved in the creation of the song.
"The royalties question is a real one" it is a real question that should not be overlooked. It is part of the "Business side of the Church". Having worked in the music industry back in the 1990s, managing the systems that controlled the royalties. Royalties were considered a very real problem for many artists, popular or just starting out. In 1993 it was estimated that over 10 Billion $US in unpaid royalties were owed to 1000s of artists, including very large names! The late David Bowie was owed an undisputed amount of $35 million in unpaid royalties, with another $50-75 Million unaccounted for. I can not imagine the valuation of unpaid and lost Royalties today! The music industry is "cutthroat" and will prosecute those who do not pay the royalties that the music company "deems they are due from you and CRC". CRC is not off the hook either as the lawyers know who has the deeper pockets. So if you are a congregation that decides not to pay the royalties, then do NOT play the music - for you are stealing from whatever artist you are singing to as part of your worship. Cheating is just another word for stealing - Remember the words in Leviticus;
Leviticus 19:11-13 King James Version (KJV)
"Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another..."
Should your church decides to not pay but continue to play then your stewards need to be asked - have we paid our royalties?
CRC would be wise, to conduct an informal audit - before the Music Industry comes singing their song of Pay the Piper! Worship Music has grown dramatically since the 1990s and the industry has not missed the sales of sheet music, album sales, and the use of Youtube - yes if you use Youtube videos for your worship, you have to pay for that use as well - each time.
In closing do not be afraid to play whatever your congregation and church decide, just remember to be honest about what you are doing.
Sincerely
Jeffrey Thomson
Waterloo, Ontario.
" Employed at EMI Music Canada 1990-1996"
Posted in: Should My Church Sing Hillsong?
Hi Erin;
I have been praying over responding to your post to make sure I do not cause any trauma or revisit any issues you had and have.
First, I am truly sorry to hear that you suffered and still suffer at the hands of another. I know the feeling of having been physically abused by an uncle when I was a child. I can not know your personal suffering as that is personal to the victims.
I do understand, that those who have suffered trauma(s) of any sort, will have triggers that will bring back those horrible days. I am sad to hear that it is music that is a trigger for you, specifically certain music.
I am happy to hear that you are still worshipping and trusting in God. I have no solution to offer when those songs or triggers occur, but I do hope that your congregation can find a solution to help you as well as maintain a safe and understanding environment for you and others who may also be suffering. Maybe the worship team can mix up the song lists each week.
I didn't want to leave your courageous post to go unanswered, to make you feel isolated. You are not alone Erin.
Jeffrey
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A little late to the table Michael, so my apologies. You may have already received directions, but if not may I offer a small suggestion. Before offering my suggestion, please note that I am not a lawyer, nor do I know the Privacy Laws of the State of Michigan. I do however have a background in advising Financial Institutions in Canada on the safe storage and retention of records, both financial and non-financial. With that said, please note, that every State, and Province as well as Federal laws and regulations regarding Privacy have changed over the years (50 years have seen a lot of change on this subject). I would strongly urge you and the Camp and sponsors of the Camp to seek out guidance from Privacy and Retention Experts in your State and Federally as well. Should you have had children or staff from Canada or other countries, you may find that their laws may impact what you can do with these documents as well.
This can be extremely expensive, to say the least. Thus a "simpler" suggestion is to digitalize the documents and place those digitalized records (minimum of three copies), at a recognized Retention Company - such as Safeguard, Mountain Storage or any Government recommended company. 3 copies, 2 would go to the company that you choose, but to be stored at different locations, for disaster recovery protection, and the 3rd at your organization or bank vault with very strong protection software to ensure prying eyes can not access the files. While the initial costs are high, the peace of mind is priceless. Many of these companies can do both the imaging and the storage and save you some money in the process.
You may be wondering why ALL of the records, can't we just pick a random cutoff date; say 25 years, 10 years, or 7 years? Not with some of today's Privacy laws and laws on Civil Action - legal suits. Let's say that you had a staff member who was documented for having assaulted a child back in the 1970's. Depending on the State of where that child was from, they could request and obtain those records, and if you have intentionally destroyed the records because you pick the wrong cutoff date, you could be liable even if you did not intend to.
At one financial company, in Canada, we were required to maintain all records of clients who were under the age of 110 years old - Life Insurance policies.
Going forward, remember to update the capture and storage of the new records with the old records.
Again, this suggestion is offered freely and should not be deemed as legal advice, that can only come from authorized and notarized professional members of your State or Federal Legal Regulators. If you do have some questions I am happy to assist under those conditions.
Sincerely
Jeffrey Thomson
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Rivals and Pilgrimages are common in many religions. What the youth at Asbury did was what happens in other religions and other cultures on a regular basis around the world. That it happened, is wonderful, and powerful, and is a statement to each attendee's own spiritual point in their lives today. Some attendees may have participated purely for themselves, others to be part of something, and others to be with friends on a journey. Regardless of their reason for participation, they should not be criticized. How it was "organized" or started is not relevant in today's mass media, instant communication technological world. Just accept that people gathered to worship for several days.
If you have ever visited Lourdes France during one of the festive weekends, you will be amazed and spiritually uplifted during the evening processions with 300,000+ other worshippers, young and old, from far and wide.
What happened in Asbury was a moment of spiritual outpouring, embrace it, love it, and preach the spirit any way you can!
Peace and Love
Jeffrey Thomson