I grew up in the CRC, and am still here, along with my family. I'm married to Daryl, who has a construction business. I had a CPA license for 10 or so years, then I added EX to the front, and MOM to the back, so now I'm an EX CPA, MOM =). I am MOM to Duncan, Ian and Samantha. Our family also owns a raspberry farm, and in the summers we get to work out there together.
HIGH PRAISE! It's a powerful biblical concept that the reformed tradition doesn't seem to be very comfortable with (yet?) for various reasons. Yet, it is the biblical HALLELUYAHs in Psalms 146-150, exuberant, intense, loud!
Thank you David! I LOVE the "one another" principle~ God does too, as He gives us 59 commands on how to relate with one another (14 of them are to love one another incl John 13:34-35, and several are how not to relate)!
I firmly believe when we, His family, follow these, many conflicts / divisions will disappear!
Thanks for taking the time to read it David! It's not that there won't be differences and disagreements, so I also appreciate the Moravian motto: in the essentials, unity, in the non-essentials, freedom, and in all things love!
I love 1 Cor 14 so much because it is actually a very, very inclusive chapter where Paul gives permission multiple times and invites EVERYONE / EACH ONE / ANYONE to be engaged and encouraged with the others. It seems to me that is what people who have left the inst. church for various reasons are looking for, there is a hunger to be more engaged in the spiritual expression of God's truths & testimonies. Spirit and Truth!
I call it the "prophetic table". A safe place and space where everyone can share, test, discuss, ask questions, expand on Scripture /spiritual matters together. It is beautiful and powerful. In my experience it is almost always in a more informal organic type gathering (often from multiple church backgrounds / denoms that adds rich dimensions).
Everyone is open to the Holy Spirit leading through the Word & prayer. I experienced it a bit earlier this evening: A group of about 7-12 of us are meeting on Monday evenings to go through Ephesians. Everyone is given space to share (if they choose to do so), what the Holy Spirit has been showing them through a passage for the last week. Tonight the focus was Ephesians 2. One person asked questions about Paul's audience, Jews? Gentiles? One brought up the grace in 2:8, one shared on the unity in v11-22, these brought up other insights and thoughts shared by others for further discussion and encouragement.
I shared on how Paul uses a lot of past tense for what we once WERE! and then uses present tense BUT NOW for who we are now in Christ! Our identity in CHRIST because of Who He is and what He has done is something I am deeply passionate about, that God's family/children/saints know who we are in Christ! That is an entire discussion on its own... here's some of what I have compiled... You Are Precious and Priceless | CRC Network
There might be a few hurdles for something like this to happen (ie various views on 1 Cor 14:34-35 as well as what is "prophetic") but it also can be really simple.
Just some thoughts on possible ways 1 Cor 14 can become more of a reality.
On church trauma specifically, it is often one on one conversations / counseling / coaching with someone who has experienced church harm/hurt, spiritual abuse in some way. There are conferences that address this more extensively. Julie Roys has facilitated an annual conference for the last several years. Restore Conference 2026 — Restoration: Beauty From Ashes
On the younger generations, it seems (partly based on my kiddos ages 20, 22 & 26) they are looking to be more equally engaged instead of a unilateral top down teaching / preaching style of gathering. They have no interest in authoritarian type of structures / hierarchy.
On church trauma specifically, it is often one on one conversations / counseling / coaching with someone who has experienced church harm/hurt, spiritual abuse in some way. There are conferences that address this more extensively. Julie Roys has facilitated an annual conference for the last several years. Restore Conference 2026 — Restoration: Beauty From Ashes
On the younger generations, it seems (partly based on my kiddos ages 20, 22 & 26) they are looking to be more equally engaged instead of a unilateral top down teaching / preaching style of gathering. They have no interest in authoritarian type of structures / hierarchy.
Thanks, Tricia, for sharing these insights on trauma. Understanding ACE's was a heartbreaking but very helpful eye opener for me about 10 years ago when it first came to my attention! The story behind how ACEs became a part of the conversation is amazing, yet very heart breaking as trauma was denigrated and dismissed as false memories by the mental health community for decades in the 90s and 2000's. It seems it is mostly in the last 10 years that awareness of ACE's has got some traction and still only a minority of people have even heard of this tool/evaluation when I bring it up.
Church hurt / trauma is another significant factor for the growing number of "dones" that were deeply wounded, often by leaders in institutional churches. Many have left the institutional churches and are looking for community but struggling to find it! They are looking for a different expression than what has often become a church structure of power dynamics.
1 Corinthians 11. Paul affirms men and women are praying and prophesying publicly in the Corinthian gathering (1 Cor 11:5) — forms of Spirit-empowered edifying and encouragement to build up the Kingdom Church.
This important chapter supports the mutuality principle over a strict hierarchy. After discussing head coverings and creation order (vv. 3–10), Paul counters that and redirects attention to a greater reality in the church in verse 11: “However, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman.”
That “However… in the Lord” is crucial. It qualifies everything before it. In the Christian covenant community, relationships between men and women are based on a mutual interdependence under Christ’s lordship. This is in alignment with the dozens of (59) “one another” commands throughout the New Testament (love one another, teach/admonish one another, encourage one another, etc.), which are not gender-restricted.
Couples / women /wives can choose a hierarchical relationship if that's their preference, but God has given a beautiful and healthier principle for mutual based relationships instead of power dynamics:mutual submission, mutual service for His family working together, rooted in agape love for one another as He loves us.
Certain people or some per the Greek (not just men) in 1 Tim 1:3 that Paul is encouraging Timothy to instruct because of their false teaching. The singular woman in 2:11 is specifically someone Timothy is to instruct per Paul.
Paul specified 2 men in 1:20 as part of the problem mentioned in 1:3, but there were others (the Greek in 1:3 is gender inclusive) …
Paul switches from plural men and women in 2:8-10 to singular woman and man in 2:11-12 but instead of handing her over to satan like the 2 men, Paul commands Timothy to teach and help her learn in a respectful manner, reiterating the instruction in 1:3.
Paul’s 2:15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control....
has several options that the translations and commentators do not agree on: Paul is referring to Eve as the “she” and all women with his “they”. Paul is referring to women in general with both the “she” and the “they”. Or is Paul specifically referring to the woman and man in v11-12?
There has been no consensus on this verse with pretty crazy variations of interpretation! I have even heard/read that women cannot have pain relief in labor and that women must birth their babies at home based on this verse and as part of the curse (women were NOT cursed, neither was bearing children, only the serpent and the ground were cursed, yet this has been a common reason used against women!
Paul seems to be encouraging marriage and family because Artemis promoted celibacy/virginity, childlessness, forbidding marriage for those who served in her temple.
Thanks for testing this! I will respond later on the passages you refer to.
I am not sure what happened, but I can not find your previous comment / response and don't see an email notice from the network but would love to read your work on women. Here's my email: [email protected]. let me know when you send it so I don't miss it!
I hope to post my response on 1 Cor 11 later this week. Our harvest started last week so I am outside at our farm 10-15 hours a day. I joke that we don't do 9-5, instead we do 5-9 (am-> pm ;)
Here's some of my work on 1 Cor 14. Several years ago I realized that this chapter is actually very inclusive yet ironically it has traditionally been used to exclude women. So as I was reviewing my notes on it, I counted how often Paul uses inclusive language and I got around 35 in this chapter alone. Then I counted how often the 1984 NIV uses male terms in this chapter & that's around 30x with the ESV around 20x, so I updated my info.
1 Corinthians 14
I love this chapter! It is really amazing and I do eagerly desire there to be gatherings today that gives everyone a voice to share what Holy Spirit is putting on their hearts: hymns, scriptures, testimonies, prophecy, encouragement, teachings, praying/speaking in tongues, etc to build up His Kingdom Church, the Bride of Christ...
The Greek in 1 Cor 14 is beautifully and powerfully inclusive, emphasizing a mutual dignity for ALL to participate, until it isn’t, with a jarring exclusion in v34-35 that does not match up with the rest of the context. It should make everyone pause and ask what is going on here?
V2,3,4 (2x),5,13,16 Paul's use of "ho" -> gender inclusive the one, anyone, everyone (not exclusively “he”)
V2,3 anthropos => people (not specifically men)
V5,23,24 (3x),31 (3x) pantes/pas-> ALL prophesy in turn so pantes/pas ALL may be instructed and pantes / pas ALL exhorted… V33 pasais / pas ALL congregations; V26,40 panta/pas ALL things… Strong's Greek: 3956. πᾶς (pas) -- All, every, whole, entire
V6,20,26,39 adelphoi ->brothers and sisters! (Not exclusively brothers)
V17 heteros-> other (non- believer, not specifically male)
V19,29,30 allous-> others (believers)
V21 heteroglossois -> other tongues (not specifically foreign men)
V23 hole-> whole church, entire, complete, all
V26 hekastos -> Everyone/each of you has a hymn, etc…
V27,37,38 tis -> Anyone speaks…
Additional concerns including v33-35.
MODERN TRANSLATION PROBLEM:
1984 NIV is quite the opposite to the Greek and uses around 30 specific male terms in this chapter alone… the ESV is a little bit better with about 20 male references, but still not gender inclusive like the Greek with about 35 words that are inclusive!
Both 1984 NIV and the ESV disingenuously split verse 33 and put a period after the first stmt (SEE BELOW***), then started a new paragraph for the 2nd part to tie it with v34, to imply that the v34 women are to be silent in all churches instead of v33 God’s peace is in all churches… and it seems several online versions of 1984 NIV are revising these verses compared to what is actually in the physical hard copies! BIG RED FLAG on how these verses have been subtly but significantly altered!
34 As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?
33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches.
It makes far more sense in this context that God’s principles of order and peace in v33 is what is in All churches!
TEXTUAL VARIANT PROBLEM:
In addition to the heavily male language dynamic in some modern translations that tend toward a complementarian lens, early manuscripts have a 2 dot notation / distigme next to v34-35 to indicate a textual variant noted by ancient scribes, which is another significant flag to pay attention that something is going on here. Philip Payne has done considerable work on this. Is-1-Cor-14.34-35-Marginal-Comment-or-Quotation.pdf
SEPTUAGINT PROBLEM/ WISDOM OF SIRACH (about 180 BC)
Wives being silent was an expectation to some extent, thanks to Rabbi Joshua ben Sira, author of the Wisdom of Sirach, included in the Septuagint, as well as part of the oral tradition that later ended up written down as the Mishnah. Are V34-36 Paul's possible refutation of ideas that came from sources like Rabbi ben Sira and perpetuated by others familiar with the Sirach & other oral tradition? This is one possibility.
I love the chiastic structure that is presented in this article. Plus it helped me realize there seems to be strong refutations Paul might have wrote regarding women being silent that are not translated. This would make sense with his Greek inclusivity!
INCONSISTENCY PROBLEM: There is inconsistent application both here and in 1 Tim 2:12 by comps. Ie. Some say women can read scripture out loud in a mixed gathering, others disagree.
CONCLUSION: There seem to be several variants on this text, especially v33-36 that have impacted the church for a long, long time! What Paul is sharing here is actually very inclusive, inviting engagement by and input from the priesthood of ALL believers, not exclusively men or allowing passivity from the women whenever they gather!
This seems to be what the younger generations are looking for as well, more dialogue, more engagement from everyone when they gather together, not just a unilateral one way top down teaching. There is a shift going on away from authoritarian hierarchies of leadership.
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HIGH PRAISE! It's a powerful biblical concept that the reformed tradition doesn't seem to be very comfortable with (yet?) for various reasons. Yet, it is the biblical HALLELUYAHs in Psalms 146-150, exuberant, intense, loud!
Let the HIGH PRAISES OF GOD be in our mouths... (Ps 149:6a Psalm 149:6 May the high praises of God be in their mouths, and a double-edged sword in their hands,); however for some reason the NIVs (& a few other versions) left the HIGH out of their translations of the rare Hebrew word rowmmowt Strong's Hebrew: 7319. רוֹמְמוֹת (romemah) -- Exaltation, elevation, lifting up. I have to wonder why!
What Exactly is High Praise? | CRC Network
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Thank you David! I LOVE the "one another" principle~ God does too, as He gives us 59 commands on how to relate with one another (14 of them are to love one another incl John 13:34-35, and several are how not to relate)!
I firmly believe when we, His family, follow these, many conflicts / divisions will disappear!
The Case for "One Another" (See These 59 Commands in the Bible) | CRC Network
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Thanks for taking the time to read it David! It's not that there won't be differences and disagreements, so I also appreciate the Moravian motto: in the essentials, unity, in the non-essentials, freedom, and in all things love!
Posted in: Trauma-Informed Gospel
I love 1 Cor 14 so much because it is actually a very, very inclusive chapter where Paul gives permission multiple times and invites EVERYONE / EACH ONE / ANYONE to be engaged and encouraged with the others. It seems to me that is what people who have left the inst. church for various reasons are looking for, there is a hunger to be more engaged in the spiritual expression of God's truths & testimonies. Spirit and Truth!
I call it the "prophetic table". A safe place and space where everyone can share, test, discuss, ask questions, expand on Scripture /spiritual matters together. It is beautiful and powerful. In my experience it is almost always in a more informal organic type gathering (often from multiple church backgrounds / denoms that adds rich dimensions).
Everyone is open to the Holy Spirit leading through the Word & prayer. I experienced it a bit earlier this evening: A group of about 7-12 of us are meeting on Monday evenings to go through Ephesians. Everyone is given space to share (if they choose to do so), what the Holy Spirit has been showing them through a passage for the last week. Tonight the focus was Ephesians 2. One person asked questions about Paul's audience, Jews? Gentiles? One brought up the grace in 2:8, one shared on the unity in v11-22, these brought up other insights and thoughts shared by others for further discussion and encouragement.
I shared on how Paul uses a lot of past tense for what we once WERE! and then uses present tense BUT NOW for who we are now in Christ! Our identity in CHRIST because of Who He is and what He has done is something I am deeply passionate about, that God's family/children/saints know who we are in Christ! That is an entire discussion on its own... here's some of what I have compiled... You Are Precious and Priceless | CRC Network
There might be a few hurdles for something like this to happen (ie various views on 1 Cor 14:34-35 as well as what is "prophetic") but it also can be really simple.
Just some thoughts on possible ways 1 Cor 14 can become more of a reality.
Posted in: Trauma-Informed Gospel
On church trauma specifically, it is often one on one conversations / counseling / coaching with someone who has experienced church harm/hurt, spiritual abuse in some way. There are conferences that address this more extensively. Julie Roys has facilitated an annual conference for the last several years. Restore Conference 2026 — Restoration: Beauty From Ashes
On the younger generations, it seems (partly based on my kiddos ages 20, 22 & 26) they are looking to be more equally engaged instead of a unilateral top down teaching / preaching style of gathering. They have no interest in authoritarian type of structures / hierarchy.
Posted in: Trauma-Informed Gospel
On church trauma specifically, it is often one on one conversations / counseling / coaching with someone who has experienced church harm/hurt, spiritual abuse in some way. There are conferences that address this more extensively. Julie Roys has facilitated an annual conference for the last several years. Restore Conference 2026 — Restoration: Beauty From Ashes
On the younger generations, it seems (partly based on my kiddos ages 20, 22 & 26) they are looking to be more equally engaged instead of a unilateral top down teaching / preaching style of gathering. They have no interest in authoritarian type of structures / hierarchy.
Posted in: Trauma-Informed Gospel
Thanks, Tricia, for sharing these insights on trauma. Understanding ACE's was a heartbreaking but very helpful eye opener for me about 10 years ago when it first came to my attention! The story behind how ACEs became a part of the conversation is amazing, yet very heart breaking as trauma was denigrated and dismissed as false memories by the mental health community for decades in the 90s and 2000's. It seems it is mostly in the last 10 years that awareness of ACE's has got some traction and still only a minority of people have even heard of this tool/evaluation when I bring it up.
Church hurt / trauma is another significant factor for the growing number of "dones" that were deeply wounded, often by leaders in institutional churches. Many have left the institutional churches and are looking for community but struggling to find it! They are looking for a different expression than what has often become a church structure of power dynamics.
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Cameron, thanks again for sharing your concerns.
1 Corinthians 11. Paul affirms men and women are praying and prophesying publicly in the Corinthian gathering (1 Cor 11:5) — forms of Spirit-empowered edifying and encouragement to build up the Kingdom Church.
This important chapter supports the mutuality principle over a strict hierarchy. After discussing head coverings and creation order (vv. 3–10), Paul counters that and redirects attention to a greater reality in the church in verse 11: “However, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman.”
That “However… in the Lord” is crucial. It qualifies everything before it. In the Christian covenant community, relationships between men and women are based on a mutual interdependence under Christ’s lordship. This is in alignment with the dozens of (59) “one another” commands throughout the New Testament (love one another, teach/admonish one another, encourage one another, etc.), which are not gender-restricted.
Couples / women /wives can choose a hierarchical relationship if that's their preference, but God has given a beautiful and healthier principle for mutual based relationships instead of power dynamics: mutual submission, mutual service for His family working together, rooted in agape love for one another as He loves us.
Posted in: Getting the Whole Picture, Part 11: Paul's Correction of the Created Order
Thanks for asking!
Paul gives us several clues:
Certain people or some per the Greek (not just men) in 1 Tim 1:3 that Paul is encouraging Timothy to instruct because of their false teaching. The singular woman in 2:11 is specifically someone Timothy is to instruct per Paul.
Paul specified 2 men in 1:20 as part of the problem mentioned in 1:3, but there were others (the Greek in 1:3 is gender inclusive) …
1 Timothy 1:3 As I urged you on my departure to Macedonia, you should stay on at Ephesus to instruct certain men not to teach false doctrines (use this link for parallel translations)
Paul switches from plural men and women in 2:8-10 to singular woman and man in 2:11-12 but instead of handing her over to satan like the 2 men, Paul commands Timothy to teach and help her learn in a respectful manner, reiterating the instruction in 1:3.
Paul’s 2:15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control....
has several options that the translations and commentators do not agree on: Paul is referring to Eve as the “she” and all women with his “they”. Paul is referring to women in general with both the “she” and the “they”. Or is Paul specifically referring to the woman and man in v11-12?
There has been no consensus on this verse with pretty crazy variations of interpretation! I have even heard/read that women cannot have pain relief in labor and that women must birth their babies at home based on this verse and as part of the curse (women were NOT cursed, neither was bearing children, only the serpent and the ground were cursed, yet this has been a common reason used against women!
1 Timothy 2:15 Commentaries: But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. (use this link for commentaries, you can also access the parallel translations through this link as well)
Paul seems to be encouraging marriage and family because Artemis promoted celibacy/virginity, childlessness, forbidding marriage for those who served in her temple.
Posted in: Getting the Whole Picture, Part 11: Paul's Correction of the Created Order
Thanks for testing this! I will respond later on the passages you refer to.
I am not sure what happened, but I can not find your previous comment / response and don't see an email notice from the network but would love to read your work on women. Here's my email: [email protected]. let me know when you send it so I don't miss it!
Much appreciated!
Posted in: Getting the Whole Picture, Part 11: Paul's Correction of the Created Order
Thanks. made it to page 50 so far...
I hope to post my response on 1 Cor 11 later this week. Our harvest started last week so I am outside at our farm 10-15 hours a day. I joke that we don't do 9-5, instead we do 5-9 (am-> pm ;)
Here's some of my work on 1 Cor 14. Several years ago I realized that this chapter is actually very inclusive yet ironically it has traditionally been used to exclude women. So as I was reviewing my notes on it, I counted how often Paul uses inclusive language and I got around 35 in this chapter alone. Then I counted how often the 1984 NIV uses male terms in this chapter & that's around 30x with the ESV around 20x, so I updated my info.
1 Corinthians 14
I love this chapter! It is really amazing and I do eagerly desire there to be gatherings today that gives everyone a voice to share what Holy Spirit is putting on their hearts: hymns, scriptures, testimonies, prophecy, encouragement, teachings, praying/speaking in tongues, etc to build up His Kingdom Church, the Bride of Christ...
The Greek in 1 Cor 14 is beautifully and powerfully inclusive, emphasizing a mutual dignity for ALL to participate, until it isn’t, with a jarring exclusion in v34-35 that does not match up with the rest of the context. It should make everyone pause and ask what is going on here?
V2,3,4 (2x),5,13,16 Paul's use of "ho" -> gender inclusive the one, anyone, everyone (not exclusively “he”)
V2,3 anthropos => people (not specifically men)
V5,23,24 (3x),31 (3x) pantes/pas-> ALL prophesy in turn so pantes/pas ALL may be instructed and pantes / pas ALL exhorted… V33 pasais / pas ALL congregations; V26,40 panta/pas ALL things… Strong's Greek: 3956. πᾶς (pas) -- All, every, whole, entire
V6,20,26,39 adelphoi ->brothers and sisters! (Not exclusively brothers)
V17 heteros-> other (non- believer, not specifically male)
V19,29,30 allous-> others (believers)
V21 heteroglossois -> other tongues (not specifically foreign men)
V23 hole-> whole church, entire, complete, all
V26 hekastos -> Everyone/each of you has a hymn, etc…
V27,37,38 tis -> Anyone speaks…
Additional concerns including v33-35.
MODERN TRANSLATION PROBLEM:
1984 NIV is quite the opposite to the Greek and uses around 30 specific male terms in this chapter alone… the ESV is a little bit better with about 20 male references, but still not gender inclusive like the Greek with about 35 words that are inclusive!
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace--as in all the churches of the saints.
Both 1984 NIV and the ESV disingenuously split verse 33 and put a period after the first stmt (SEE BELOW***), then started a new paragraph for the 2nd part to tie it with v34, to imply that the v34 women are to be silent in all churches instead of v33 God’s peace is in all churches… and it seems several online versions of 1984 NIV are revising these verses compared to what is actually in the physical hard copies! BIG RED FLAG on how these verses have been subtly but significantly altered!
***1984 NIV online version: NIV 1984: 1st Corinthians | Christ Unite (COMPARE TO YOUR PHYSICAL COPY! This online version adds v33b to v 34)
33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
34 As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?
***1 Corinthians 14:33–35 — English Standard Version (ESV)
33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches.
It makes far more sense in this context that God’s principles of order and peace in v33 is what is in All churches!
TEXTUAL VARIANT PROBLEM:
In addition to the heavily male language dynamic in some modern translations that tend toward a complementarian lens, early manuscripts have a 2 dot notation / distigme next to v34-35 to indicate a textual variant noted by ancient scribes, which is another significant flag to pay attention that something is going on here. Philip Payne has done considerable work on this. Is-1-Cor-14.34-35-Marginal-Comment-or-Quotation.pdf
SEPTUAGINT PROBLEM/ WISDOM OF SIRACH (about 180 BC)
“A silent wife is a gift from the Lord, and nothing is so precious as her self-discipline.” (Sirach (Ecclesiasticus) 26:14
Sirach 25:20 — “Like a sandy hill to aged feet is a garrulous [talkative] wife to a quiet husband.” (She is burdensome and irritating.)
Wives being silent was an expectation to some extent, thanks to Rabbi Joshua ben Sira, author of the Wisdom of Sirach, included in the Septuagint, as well as part of the oral tradition that later ended up written down as the Mishnah. Are V34-36 Paul's possible refutation of ideas that came from sources like Rabbi ben Sira and perpetuated by others familiar with the Sirach & other oral tradition? This is one possibility.
TRANSLATION OMISSION PROBLEM:
Another variant to consider is that Paul’s use of the equivalent refutation of “bunk” is not translated. Paul’s Missing “Double Bunk” in 1 Corinthians 14:36 | Christian Egalitarian Marriage
I love the chiastic structure that is presented in this article. Plus it helped me realize there seems to be strong refutations Paul might have wrote regarding women being silent that are not translated. This would make sense with his Greek inclusivity!
INCONSISTENCY PROBLEM: There is inconsistent application both here and in 1 Tim 2:12 by comps. Ie. Some say women can read scripture out loud in a mixed gathering, others disagree.
CONCLUSION: There seem to be several variants on this text, especially v33-36 that have impacted the church for a long, long time! What Paul is sharing here is actually very inclusive, inviting engagement by and input from the priesthood of ALL believers, not exclusively men or allowing passivity from the women whenever they gather!
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This seems to be what the younger generations are looking for as well, more dialogue, more engagement from everyone when they gather together, not just a unilateral one way top down teaching. There is a shift going on away from authoritarian hierarchies of leadership.